Afterthoughts:Level Capped Dungeons

[Kosmos992k]

Thats what I meant I think my wording was off with that sentence. Pre nerf they were great dungeons, people may not agree but I loved them. Now dungeons are bland and uninteresting. The only thing trash pulls offer now are gates that block you from doing full speed runs.

Agreed. Sadly my first experience of Pharos Sirius (pre nerf)included a DPS who swore he knew the mechanics and had done it before. We wiped to the first Boss so many times, my wife (our healer) almost quit from frustration. Instead of playing themechanics, or listening to the tank(me), our know it all dps proceeded to dps the hell out of the boss, and bitched at our healer for not healing. She was too busy running from the adds, after numerous wipes we somehow got through. This was long before any real overgearing was involved, there was no way to burn the boss,you had to play the adds. Similar fail on the next boss - failed mechanics and can't burn the boss, and the fool ran ahead to drag trash packs to us on the stairs..not the safe landings. I never ran another dungeon with that person again... LOL

The thing was, depsite that, it was still fun, because it was not brain dead easy.

[bass9020]

Agreed. Sadly my first experience of Pharos Sirius (pre nerf)included a DPS who swore he knew the mechanics and had done it before. We wiped to the first Boss so many times, my wife (our healer) almost quit from frustration. Instead of playing themechanics, or listening to the tank(me), our know it all dps proceeded to dps the hell out of the boss, and bitched at our healer for not healing. She was too busy running from the adds, after numerous wipes we somehow got through. This was long before any real overgearing was involved, there was no way to burn the boss,you had to play the adds. Similar fail on the next boss - failed mechanics and can't burn the boss, and the fool ran ahead to drag trash packs to us on the stairs..not the safe landings. I never ran another dungeon with that person again... LOL

The thing was, depsite that, it was still fun, because it was not brain dead easy.

Yep exactly people tend to skip or try to skip whatever they can but sometimes it just doesnt work and now we no longer have things like that in dungeon. :/ I feel like if they added these places to the open world as an optional thing it would make it a little more interesting. Leave the easy speed run no brain tactics to the Duty Finder and add puzzles and unique gating to the open world versions.

[Ilitsa]

Beautiful words

Pretty much all the posts I've seen you do lately, I've agreed with completely, just thought I'd point that out

[Derio]

A dungeon is 15 minutes. How is that long?

[Maero]

I do not mind dungeons but i would not consider them to be end game
It can get annoying at times i can see that about the mass pull, let's do this in such and such a time, even if i don't mind that
AS for the comment about telling you you do not play real content, that is kind of heresay no? Some players do not like to raid and just play the game for the social aspect, story, etc..

[FeliAiko]

Why are we rushing?

Well as someone pointed out earlier during the week when people are strapped for time (coming home from work/Uni etc) they want to get the dungeons over with as soon as possible so then they get more time to do other things in-game before they have to log off. Others simply because once you've done something repeatedly enough times, it just becomes more efficient to shorten the process as much as possible. Or even in some cases, people feel more challenged by mass pulls where everyone has to be on point for success.

[Aileesan]

I would love the level cap dungeons, if I didn't get the same ones for roulette... pretty much every day. I'm looking at YOU Arboretum.

[Mimilu]

I would love the level cap dungeons, if I didn't get the same ones for roulette... pretty much every day. I'm looking at YOU Arboretum.

I use to love Arboretum but grinding it and Sirius every day makes me almost empathize with the OP's friend.
With how the devs designed the system, you have to grind the same content over and over again, it get's old really quick, especially with only two end-game dungeons. It turns those dungeons into chores that you just want to get over with quickly.

[Ultimatecalibur]

I use to love Arboretum but grinding it and Sirius every day makes me almost empathize with the OP's friend.
With how the devs designed the system, you have to grind the same content over and over again, it get's old really quick, especially with only two end-game dungeons. It turns those dungeons into chores that you just want to get over with quickly.

That is partially tied to problems with Alex Gordias (both Normal and Savage), Frontlines(Seize) and Diadem. They were intended to be pretty good (alternate/augmented) sources of Eso tomes, but design errors caused players to get sick of them really quick.

AlexNM's original token reward system caused players to burn out incredibly fast. Even after the reward system was changed players were sick of it and didn't want to go back. An average of 5 runs (which should have given a player a token) of each floor would have given 200 Eso.

AlexSavage's similarity to AlexNM (which many players were already sick of) along with the problematic difficulty caused serious problems. Hardcore players would have been getting about 20% to 25% of their Eso each week from Savage once they started clearing.

Frontlines(Seize) suffers heavily from extremely long queues caused by GC imbalances. It is a really good and interesting source of Eso when you are in one of the low pop GCs getting 10 min queue times, but sucks when you are in the high pop GC with a 2 hour queue time.

Diadem suffers greatly from disparate player goals, anti-poopsocking measures, and imbalanced rewards. 20 ESO for a 90 min duty is not very rewarding compared to 75 for a 15/20 minute one. Once many people got their mounts they just stopped doing Daidem.

There is a lot of variety, the problem is that doing daily expert roulette 5 times each week is just so much easier, faster and less draining than other sources.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

The solution would be to reverse the paradigm. Make tome gear the catch up gear, and make the dungeon drops the good gear. IE - the current two level 60 dungeons dropping i170 gear while the Law buys i160. The two "expert" dungeons drop i200 gear while the Esoterics buy the i185 gear.

I don't see SE going in that direction though. Mainly because the cap on the higher tome limits the rate at which people can gear up, something that repeated dungeon runs would not (unless they go for a "one loot per week" a la the 24 man dungeon runs, which would NOT be well received).