Required Class/Rank failed - Can we have Optimal Rank and Favoured Class back?

[Delsus]

How am I trolling?

By saying something is good and then elaborating as to why I think it's good?

I don't think that is called trolling. I think you'll find it's called something else entirely, e.g., constructive feedback.

Well with the old system, if you were 3 levels below optimal you woul basicly get no stats, so it was effectively a required system already if you actually wanted to use the gear, but then you go on to say the dated gear is useless when the optimal things were useless unless you were the optimal level.

You then say that it is good for the economy when the main complaint of crafters was that they could not make money off low level gear, because everyone was using high level gear because they didnt know how the system worked. Also the low level players could not buy low level gear because crafters weren't making it because there was no money in it.

The only good thing about the system is the astetics and roleplaying aspect when you could equip anything, you say you want it so you can use it on any class at any level but its pretty much useless on anything but the optimal class and rank, so just use the damn dated gear, its just as much use as old gear on a class 5 levels lower than optimal.

[AdvancedWind]

Well with the old system, if you were 3 levels below optimal you woul basicly get no stats, so it was effectively a required system already if you actually wanted to use the gear, but then you go on to say the dated gear is useless when the optimal things were useless unless you were the optimal level.

1 - That's way over exaggerating. it did scale pretty well with low rank differences
2 - The dated gear have weaker stats overall, that's why they're useless.

You then say that it is good for the economy when the main complaint of crafters was that they could not make money off low level gear, because everyone was using high level gear because they didnt know how the system worked. Also the low level players could not buy low level gear because crafters weren't making it because there was no money in it.

And having required levels did change that fact, right?
Oh wait. No.

There's no low level gear at this point mostly because there's few low level players and few low level crafters.Also, by properly scaling up the stats (here I am, again having to emphasize this), people won't buy high level gear for low level classes.

Also, the lack of understanding of the system is due to the poor tutorials and an interface that didn't show up the stat changes, not the fault of the optimal level system itself.

[Holland]

Not seen this one out yet, but just gonna throw this thorey out there.

Is there just a tiny possbility this is another Gifthorse alt? Just a guess they seen to troll just as much.

Oh I definitely noticed it was Gifthorse yet again. No one would bring up one of these topics again from the dead like him.

Being stripped naked will be a non issue once the mannequin system is in place, one click: Bam! regeared completely!. That system is slated for when? end of 2012? sure why not, current system can't handle it, that does not mean we need to be subject to the issues we were having before which I will not state here because this is a dead topic.

Look up the Producer's view on the matter and there will be even no need for this thread. Anyway, why you needed to create another thread about this?. I expect to see another thread by you soon about how the Armoury system is being murdered, etc.

By the way, you requested this a lot in a thread. What is your view now about the vision of FFXIV? or should we expect yet another thread about there being no vision?

[Petdo]

NO!

/10char

[darkstarpoet1]

Well with the old system, if you were 3 levels below optimal you woul basicly get no stats, so it was effectively a required system already if you actually wanted to use the gear, but then you go on to say the dated gear is useless when the optimal things were useless unless you were the optimal level.

You then say that it is good for the economy when the main complaint of crafters was that they could not make money off low level gear, because everyone was using high level gear because they didnt know how the system worked. Also the low level players could not buy low level gear because crafters weren't making it because there was no money in it.

The only good thing about the system is the astetics and roleplaying aspect when you could equip anything, you say you want it so you can use it on any class at any level but its pretty much useless on anything but the optimal class and rank, so just use the damn dated gear, its just as much use as old gear on a class 5 levels lower than optimal.

but if they had taken the time to just show what the stats were when you equipped the gear on your lower case that whole issue of people not knowing would have been fixed without being required. i'll use my 43 goldsmith hammer at r41 my stats increased over my low level hammer so i switched to it. i had to research it myself, but i am one that takes the time to do so.

i do agree that the people wearing r50 gear on a r1 class all the way until cap was a bad problem, but that was more of se not scaling the gear properly to start with and that r50 gear was a better alternative almost completely til cap. i have a friend that used the mossy horn mail they got for their r50 lancer because the stats were better than their rank appropriate gear when they ranked their gladiator and marauder all the way to cap and they never once had to repair that gear.

to be honest i heard more crafters complaining about the premade gear drops off the mid level nm's than i did the few people that used a high piece of gear for another class. at least if they bought a high level piece of gear from a crafter they did buy from the wards..... getting premade gear they never purchased from anyone. why would you buy a r30 piece of gear when you can get a r25 one with better stats for free?

[ellohwell]

Finally, someone attempted to explain themselves. Now I can show you why you're wrong.

Well with the old system, if you were 3 levels below optimal you woul basicly get no stats, so it was effectively a required system already if you actually wanted to use the gear, but then you go on to say the dated gear is useless when the optimal things were useless unless you were the optimal level.

Whatever you're trying to say here is anyone's guess, but if what you're saying is that the optimal system has a proven track record for not working, despite having harsh penalties for wearing gear outside levels, then this is a premature conclusion because the optimal system was never really improved to the point where anyone could say it failed.

One of the biggest issues with the optimal system was that it never gave players clear information as to what the penalties were when wearing gear outside of the optimal level range. Now that the information is clearly shown on gear, players would, given the chance, gravitate toward the gear which was visibly best for them.

It is entirely speculative to assume that the optimal system would not work, because it was never given that chance.

You then say that it is good for the economy when the main complaint of crafters was that they could not make money off low level gear, because everyone was using high level gear because they didnt know how the system worked. Also the low level players could not buy low level gear because crafters weren't making it because there was no money in it.

Notice how you say there was both 1) a vacuum in the market for low level gear and also 2) low level crafters were not making low level gear.

You would think that if this situation was true, then low level crafters would be making the gear to fill the vacuum? The truth, however, is that there were few crafters that bother to make gear (there still are), and that's primarily because they are just ranking up (not bothering to earn money in the process) and also because historically the complicated crafting system created a financial and logistical barrier to creating low level gear for new crafters. There was just no profit margin there under the old crafting system.

Considering that the crafting system has been simplified for low level crafters, there is ample opporunity for them to make gear. Obviously by my example of not being able to by a sword under R18, it's clear that the restrictive rank system hasn't solved this issue anyway. There's obviously another factor at play (and that is the low population). It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

The only good thing about the system is the astetics and roleplaying aspect when you could equip anything, you say you want it so you can use it on any class at any level but its pretty much useless on anything but the optimal class and rank, so just use the damn dated gear, its just as much use as old gear on a class 5 levels lower than optimal.

Imagine that dated gear didn't exist (which is SE's intention), then what is your suggestion? I do use dated gear for now, but what about the future? And what about for my R50 classes where dated gear isn't an option due to their inferiority?

you don't have any answers for that because the restrictive rank system doesn't provide answers for that.

[Neptune]

Restrictions are fine. You're being whiny.

Get stuffed.

[Jinko]

I think it will be much easier when they add mannequins, sadly we have to wait for this, learn to deal with it.

Personally I like the new restrictions, it makes wearing gear actually worth looking forward to.

[Molly_Millions]

just get all your classes to 50, then don't worry about it any more. :P

[Alerith]

Can't quite tell if this topic is serious...

Most MMO games I've ever played that have levels have always had level requirements for the gear. This is nothing new, and honestly most of the playerbase see's it s a normal thing.

The Optimal system was functional, but it wasn't ideal. When you had a level 25 GLA running around in level 50 armor, then getting their face pounded in from a lack of defense, the problem was evident.

Since the patch, I have noticed a sizable increase in player survival and performance, all due to players now actually using gear for their level.

Also, I think crafters are doing a bit better now because people are actually buying more variety in gear because of this.