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    There's been a LOT of complains with favored system, ence they changed it. You should know well...belgianrofl
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    Quote Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi View Post
    There's been a LOT of complains with favored system, ence they changed it. You should know well...belgianrofl
    Belgianrofl complained about the favoured system because he chose to play the wrong game. As did most people, i think. Wanting this game to be something it wasn't.

    Favoured/Optimal system was amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ellohwell View Post
    Favoured/Optimal system was amazing.
    it also rendered moot the existence of vast majority of the equipments

    it's amazing and easy for end users like you, but economically speaking, it's horrible for just about everyone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aenarion View Post
    it also rendered moot the existence of vast majority of the equipments

    it's amazing and easy for end users like you, but economically speaking, it's horrible for just about everyone
    We never got to see if the optimal/favoured system would function economically with properly scaling stats and an informative interface, so your point is what was "rendered moot", not the system itself. Sorry.
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    Last edited by ellohwell; 10-18-2011 at 05:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellohwell View Post
    We never got to see if the optimal/favoured system would function economically with properly scaling stats and an informative interface, so your point is what was "rendered moot", not the system itself. Sorry.
    your point is rendered moot by your apparent inability to check your attributes page to see the effect of the scaling pre-1.19

    and frankly, the only "proper scaling stat" that wouldn't be harmful economically would be just as harsh as the required-lvl system, which leaves you with pretty much only aesthetics to argue for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aenarion View Post
    your point is rendered moot by your apparent inability to check your attributes page to see the effect of the scaling pre-1.19

    and frankly, the only "proper scaling stat" that wouldn't be harmful economically would be just as harsh as the required-lvl system, which leaves you with pretty much only aesthetics to argue for.
    Wow, so you're saying it's possible to get all the same benefits of the restrictive system with an optimal system but with more aesthetic flexibility too. And you hate the system why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ellohwell View Post
    Wow, so you're saying it's possible to get all the same benefits of the restrictive system with an optimal system but with more aesthetic flexibility too. And you hate the system why?
    I don't recall saying I hate the optimal system, so don't try putting words in my mouth, thank you very much.

    I'm just calling it as I see it, which is the difference between the old and the new system.

    I actually had to carry less gears around for my jobs with the optimal system, but it doesn't really affect me all that much as I use macros to switch jobs and gear at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aenarion View Post
    it also rendered moot the existence of vast majority of the equipments

    it's amazing and easy for end users like you, but economically speaking, it's horrible for just about everyone
    What "rendered moot the existence of vast majority of the equipments" wasn't the optimal system per se, but the overall useleness of stats. Using a higher level weapon would clealy reduce your attack power on the stat screen, but have a far less noticeable effect on your actual damage.

    With this whole issue already fixed, I, too, don't see any major reason to require level even on regular, craftable gear. People wouldn't use a R50 weapon a R1 because the R1 weapon would deal three times the damage.
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    Last edited by AdvancedWind; 10-18-2011 at 08:05 PM.