Required Class/Rank failed - Can we have Optimal Rank and Favoured Class back?

[ellohwell]

The problem is that in making the new system they did not implement enough new armor to make up for the change.

So there's barely any choices and sometimes you are left wearing armor 10-15 levels below you because there is nothing else.

Really this is just a result of yet another poor implementation in this game.

It's not a result of poor implementation, it's a result of oversight and not realising a good thing when they had it.

[darkstarpoet1]

i agree with the op to an extent. i hate being in a big party and someone ask for quick repairs and me say ok i'll get it real fast for you and equip a hammer to repair them quickly and then all my gear drops. i make the repair and then have to completely gear back up. i'm to the point i don't do it in a party anymore because of that reason. i just tell them before we go anywhere that anyone that's close to needing repairs put them up before we go in and i take care of them all at once.

we did need some restrictions though. i agree with the devs there though.

[ellohwell]

i agree with the op to an extent. i hate being in a big party and someone ask for quick repairs and me say ok i'll get it real fast for you and equip a hammer to repair them quickly and then all my gear drops. i make the repair and then have to completely gear back up. i'm to the point i don't do it in a party anymore because of that reason. i just tell them before we go anywhere that anyone that's close to needing repairs put them up before we go in and i take care of them all at once.

we did need some restrictions though. i agree with the devs there though.

Some short while ago, a player advertised in shout for a materia attachment. They offered 50k for it and I had just swapped class and geared up. I thought about swapping back and doing the materia for them, but I literally couldn't be bothered to have to gear up all over again for a measley 50k, so I let them keep shouting.

It is actually really annoying for this reason alone.

If you also consider the fact that it limits people's ability to roleplay and dressup (which is the primary gameplay mechanic in this game at the moment!), then it's even worse.

If you consider the fact that the Optimal rank system (along with the favoured Class system) was a mechanic which was progressive for an MMO and setting a trend for future mmos (such as SW:TOR and Blade and Soul which also dont have heavily restrictive gearsets), then again, removal of this system is even worse.

[Delsus]

Not seen this one out yet, but just gonna throw this thorey out there.

Is there just a tiny possbility this is another Gifthorse alt? Just a guess they seen to troll just as much.

[ellohwell]

Not seen this one out yet, but just gonna throw this thorey out there.

Is there just a tiny possbility this is another Gifthorse alt? Just a guess they seen to troll just as much.

How am I trolling?

By saying something is good and then elaborating as to why I think it's good?

I don't think that is called trolling. I think you'll find it's called something else entirely, e.g., constructive feedback.

[Delsus]

How am I trolling?

By saying something is good and then elaborating as to why I think it's good?

I don't think that is called trolling. I think you'll find it's called something else entirely, e.g., constructive feedback.

Well with the old system, if you were 3 levels below optimal you woul basicly get no stats, so it was effectively a required system already if you actually wanted to use the gear, but then you go on to say the dated gear is useless when the optimal things were useless unless you were the optimal level.

You then say that it is good for the economy when the main complaint of crafters was that they could not make money off low level gear, because everyone was using high level gear because they didnt know how the system worked. Also the low level players could not buy low level gear because crafters weren't making it because there was no money in it.

The only good thing about the system is the astetics and roleplaying aspect when you could equip anything, you say you want it so you can use it on any class at any level but its pretty much useless on anything but the optimal class and rank, so just use the damn dated gear, its just as much use as old gear on a class 5 levels lower than optimal.

[AdvancedWind]

Well with the old system, if you were 3 levels below optimal you woul basicly get no stats, so it was effectively a required system already if you actually wanted to use the gear, but then you go on to say the dated gear is useless when the optimal things were useless unless you were the optimal level.

1 - That's way over exaggerating. it did scale pretty well with low rank differences
2 - The dated gear have weaker stats overall, that's why they're useless.

You then say that it is good for the economy when the main complaint of crafters was that they could not make money off low level gear, because everyone was using high level gear because they didnt know how the system worked. Also the low level players could not buy low level gear because crafters weren't making it because there was no money in it.

And having required levels did change that fact, right?
Oh wait. No.

There's no low level gear at this point mostly because there's few low level players and few low level crafters.Also, by properly scaling up the stats (here I am, again having to emphasize this), people won't buy high level gear for low level classes.

Also, the lack of understanding of the system is due to the poor tutorials and an interface that didn't show up the stat changes, not the fault of the optimal level system itself.

[darkstarpoet1]

Well with the old system, if you were 3 levels below optimal you woul basicly get no stats, so it was effectively a required system already if you actually wanted to use the gear, but then you go on to say the dated gear is useless when the optimal things were useless unless you were the optimal level.

You then say that it is good for the economy when the main complaint of crafters was that they could not make money off low level gear, because everyone was using high level gear because they didnt know how the system worked. Also the low level players could not buy low level gear because crafters weren't making it because there was no money in it.

The only good thing about the system is the astetics and roleplaying aspect when you could equip anything, you say you want it so you can use it on any class at any level but its pretty much useless on anything but the optimal class and rank, so just use the damn dated gear, its just as much use as old gear on a class 5 levels lower than optimal.

but if they had taken the time to just show what the stats were when you equipped the gear on your lower case that whole issue of people not knowing would have been fixed without being required. i'll use my 43 goldsmith hammer at r41 my stats increased over my low level hammer so i switched to it. i had to research it myself, but i am one that takes the time to do so.

i do agree that the people wearing r50 gear on a r1 class all the way until cap was a bad problem, but that was more of se not scaling the gear properly to start with and that r50 gear was a better alternative almost completely til cap. i have a friend that used the mossy horn mail they got for their r50 lancer because the stats were better than their rank appropriate gear when they ranked their gladiator and marauder all the way to cap and they never once had to repair that gear.

to be honest i heard more crafters complaining about the premade gear drops off the mid level nm's than i did the few people that used a high piece of gear for another class. at least if they bought a high level piece of gear from a crafter they did buy from the wards..... getting premade gear they never purchased from anyone. why would you buy a r30 piece of gear when you can get a r25 one with better stats for free?

[Holland]

Not seen this one out yet, but just gonna throw this thorey out there.

Is there just a tiny possbility this is another Gifthorse alt? Just a guess they seen to troll just as much.

Oh I definitely noticed it was Gifthorse yet again. No one would bring up one of these topics again from the dead like him.

Being stripped naked will be a non issue once the mannequin system is in place, one click: Bam! regeared completely!. That system is slated for when? end of 2012? sure why not, current system can't handle it, that does not mean we need to be subject to the issues we were having before which I will not state here because this is a dead topic.

Look up the Producer's view on the matter and there will be even no need for this thread. Anyway, why you needed to create another thread about this?. I expect to see another thread by you soon about how the Armoury system is being murdered, etc.

By the way, you requested this a lot in a thread. What is your view now about the vision of FFXIV? or should we expect yet another thread about there being no vision?