Required Class/Rank failed - Can we have Optimal Rank and Favoured Class back?

[Aenarion]

We never got to see if the optimal/favoured system would function economically with properly scaling stats and an informative interface, so your point is what was "rendered moot", not the system itself. Sorry.

your point is rendered moot by your apparent inability to check your attributes page to see the effect of the scaling pre-1.19

and frankly, the only "proper scaling stat" that wouldn't be harmful economically would be just as harsh as the required-lvl system, which leaves you with pretty much only aesthetics to argue for.

[AdvancedWind]

it also rendered moot the existence of vast majority of the equipments

it's amazing and easy for end users like you, but economically speaking, it's horrible for just about everyone

What "rendered moot the existence of vast majority of the equipments" wasn't the optimal system per se, but the overall useleness of stats. Using a higher level weapon would clealy reduce your attack power on the stat screen, but have a far less noticeable effect on your actual damage.

With this whole issue already fixed, I, too, don't see any major reason to require level even on regular, craftable gear. People wouldn't use a R50 weapon a R1 because the R1 weapon would deal three times the damage.

[Isaveron]

There should be better variety of low to mid level gear for crafters and gatherers, other than that I'm okay with the new restrictions.

[Wynn]

I have to laugh now whenever I change my class to a crafter to fix something and my pants fly off.

I preferred the optimal system too, and OP is right that we never got to see how that system would work when things like stats and the UI functioned properly. But, this system isn't bad either. There are pluses and negatives to both.

They just need to fix the whole color tied to required class and stats thing. That's the only real thing that burns me about this new system. I shouldn't have to look like a patchwork doll or wear one specific gear set to function. Fortunately, Yoshi has already stated this the current situation is just a stop gap so I'm willing to wait for now on that one.

[Aenarion]

if you're going to say the optimal system is "horrible for everyone", then perhaps you can excuse people for thinking you hate it. Even if you don't explicitly hate the thing you call "horrible for everyone", implicit in that vernacular is that you do. So if you don't want people to accuse you of thinking things you don't actually believe, then my suggestion would be to actually tell people what you believe instead of confusing them by saying the opposite of what you believe.

This is a forum for expressing opinions. Saying "this would suck... of but I don't hate it btw" isn't exactly communication. it's just confusion.

But I grow tired of teaching you how to communicate. So just drop it and try to actually discuss the thing at hand, rather than saying it's horrible and then reneging on your statement, if you're able to do that, that is.

yes, please cut my statements and take it out of context please, because that's how you're supposed to argue your points amirite?

I said it's good "for end users like you", who obviously puts ease of use/accessibility above all else, and "economically, it's horrible for just about everyone else" because of the hugely negative impact to the in-game economy.

before you try to teach others how to communicate, teach yourself how to read first.

[ellohwell]

yes, please cut my statements and take it out of context please, because that's how you're supposed to argue your points amirite?

I said it's good "for end users like you", who obviously puts ease of use/accessibility above all else, and "economically, it's horrible for just about everyone else" because of the hugely negative impact to the in-game economy.

before you try to teach others how to communicate, teach yourself how to read first.

Either you like the system or you don't, or some intermediate thereof. It seems like you hate it from your vernacular and comments. So sue me if that's the impression I get. if that's not what you think, explain as to why... jeesh I didn't know it was so hard. Maybe you need a macro for it?

[Aenarion]

Either you like the system or you don't, or some intermediate thereof. It seems like you hate it from your vernacular and comments. So sue me if that's the impression I get. if that's not what you think, explain as to why... jeesh I didn't know it was so hard. Maybe you need a macro for it?

so I can't talk objectively? I must join one fanboy camp or the other? lolz-logic.

old system is better for inventory space and aesthetics, but horrible for economy
new system is good for economy, but you have to to carry more pieces if you do multiple crafts and is more restrictive

It doesn't really get any clearer than that.1w

[ellohwell]

so I can't talk objectively? I must join one fanboy camp or the other? lolz-logic.

old system is better for inventory space and aesthetics, but horrible for economy
new system is good for economy, but you have to to carry more pieces if you do multiple crafts and is more restrictive

It doesn't really get any clearer than that.1w

Optimal system is better overral because the economy functioned with Optimal system already regardless, and materia is a pretty big stimulus package on its own, without burdening people with restrictions. The materia and durability systems also encourages you to wear gear within your level range because deterioration/spiritbond rate does (or should) relate to optimal level.

Artificial restrictions make no sense unless you're trying to annoy everyone, then they do make sense.

[Alkoun]

"Required class/rank failed."
"It was better before 1.19."
"Was an amazing system."

Not sure if troll....

Besides... Why not just wear the dated stuff if you liked it?

[ellohwell]

Why not just wear the dated stuff if you liked it?

Not sure if troll.

Why not just wear the dated stuff? Um maybe because...

A) theyre all crap now
B) Cant be slotted with materia
C)All of the above and why make all new gear restrictive when that doesnt need to be the case?

The only person even bothering to form an argument is Aenarion, and his argument is that it's bad for the economy, but at the same time he recognises that an optimal system could be good for the economy too.

The optimal system is flexible, and with more information from the UI, it is self-explanatory which gear is bad and which is good. There's no need to place an artificial restriction ontop of the suggestive one, except for AF gear (at which point it becomes an issue oh job distinctiveness).

Why is it so hard for people to explain why something is bad/good?

Just saying "you shouldnt wear R50 gear at R1" or (my favourite) "not sure if troll" aren't exactly arguments. They're just statements about nothing.

All I ask is that you explain why you think something is good/bad so I at least have something to work with when I reply/correct you.