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    Logic eh? You are the one defining the parameters for which you are basing the argument but yet as long as we go by your parameters it is logical but yet anyone else has an opinion it cannot fit your meta. If you are realistically trying to debate someone on a logical level you cannot just say your point of view is right because my criteria is different. This is not a discussion of average or means. It is a video that shows something was done while the raid tier was relevant. And once more if you go by your logic then even using As3/As4 as any example is convoluted because only 1-2% of the entire gaming community has ever even seen those raids.

    Plus if you look at my other posts before we even got to this point I explained that I agreed it was an extreme case and not worth drawing conclusions from. You are pulling from two different paragraphs now comparing apples to oranges. That original post was to point out that it could have been healed followed by if we are going by the logic of the post before me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Galdous View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iALJrcwI58s

    If the encounter can be solo healed then I believe that was the point being made. Feels like having two healers in the raid scenario is a waste of the healers strength if they are pushing the scholar to dps primarily.
    That was what I was originally talking about. Not that the fight itself but of the scholar's role being almost more dps defining then that of support healing. Once more you are comparing apples to oranges if you are talking about the original post then you need to look at whom I was replying to before you jump to conclusions. Considering there is not even a scholar in that video I would assume that it would have been understood as such.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    @Gladous

    I think most people understand the point of the original argument was that you and Vlady desire higher HPS requirements in a fight. You're entitled to your opinion.

    However, using a singular case that is an outlier in the entire raiding community as evidence that the current Meta only needs one healer is faulty logic. Yes the raiding community is small in general but taking one very niche and specific example and citing it as indicative of the entire healer meta is illogical.

    So I agree, the Autism example that Lyrics is fond of using is quite apt in this case. You're more likely to garner more support if you were to argue single tank meta in T8 and T9 era as that was indeed the case and also the optimal composition.

    Solo heal meta, base on the way tbisbraid tier is designed, will never come to fruition.

    Is there even an A4S solo heal? Would love to see it if it happens before the current raid tier dies.
    And no I never stated I wanted healing requirements to be higher. I stated i do not have an opinion on that. What I did have an opinion on was if SE could come up with mechanics for making greater use of scholar shielding during the fights over just letting the scholar be dealing damage 80% of the raid.

    Here you state that I am using just one example to present my entire case then you need to actually read my posts which I explained crystal clear during the first two fights of Savage my teams scholar was almost entire a damage dealer that only provided healing for about 20% of the fight. I was asked if I have ever seen the healing require for As3 so I posted a video that shows an astrologian did solo heal As3.

    And trying to put words into my mouth when I never said I wanted higher healing requirements seems a bit off setting. If you would actually properly quote the complete post instead of taking snippets of it to alter the meaning of the post then the true statement would be defined.

    Quote Originally Posted by Galdous View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iALJrcwI58s

    If the encounter can be solo healed then I believe that was the point being made. Feels like having two healers in the raid scenario is a waste of the healers strength if they are pushing the scholar to dps primarily.
    One there was not even a scholar in that video I linked so therefore it is used only in regards to the post above me where someone asked if I have ever seen how much healing is involved in As3 which I have not and quickly found a video that had someone handle the healing of it solo. Considering there is not even a scholar in that video posted then if would read the above statements instead of just pulling from one or two posts that is clearly not part of how this debate has shifted you would understand I was inferring to about the scholar that was in my raid group.

    You pulled quotes from my other posts which I expanded upon that topic so I hope you would have read it in full without just gazing over it to try to support yourself. I feel that I have given this matter more then enough counter debate and if you want to stop trying to create a meta criteria that was not in the initial part of the conversation then we can discuss this to your heart's desire but anyhow I rest my case.
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    Last edited by Galdous; 02-17-2016 at 01:26 AM.