Issue with double standards with Se and defining between dps and support.

[Kelevra]

Dragon Kick, even keeping in mind traited Mantra and the presence of Delirium on Dark Knight, does absolutely nowhere NEAR as much utility as Battle Litany and Disembowel. Regardless what you think about Bard/Machinist DPS, Disembowel is a significant boost to raid dps.

Battle Litany cannot by any stretch be compared to Foe Requiem, Hypercharge, Balance/Arrow/Spear, Mage Ballad/Army' Paeon, Promotion, or Trick Attack. All of those bring considerably better overall dps gains than Battle Litany, which is a 15% crit buff for 1/9th of the fight, at best.

look...the guy I was replying to originally stated 'we don't get awesome dps and awesome utility in the same job'

Dragoon has awesome damage output as well as awesome utility in Litany.

I didn't bring up Disembowel, cause that is the utility Drg has that can be compared to Foe's. One is aoe for as long as you have mana dropping magic resistance by 10%. One is single target, but lasts as long as you have tp, dropping a certain physical resistance by 10% (which has more uptime than Foe's usually does because of how things work). Same can be said for Dragon Kick and Dancing Edge. Again, this is a moot point...which is why I didn't bring it up.

It isn't a question of who thinks which utility is better than which utility.

Utility is utility.

And as far as parsing numbers/fflogs go (something else I didn't bring up)...

if I were to improve my own numbers and start putting out higher results when I raid, I would still be saying/thinking the same thing. Because, after playing Brd for a good bit...it can stand to see a few adjustments here and there for the better.