Issue with double standards with Se and defining between dps and support.

[Judge_Xero]

I think some people miss the point on why support get a penalty for using their support skills.
As I've shown earlier in the thread, under reasonable usage there is a minimal 2% damage loss. The reason for the penalty is to simply deter over usage of Ballad/Paeon (Promote).

For progression you don't stack classes simply for LB and class synergy so 90% of people wouldn't run 4xBLM etc. Over geared PF content it doesn't matter what you take as Skill>Job composition and noone complains when you are winning.

All things being equal there wont be much difference between a 4 Brd/MCH and 4 BLM/SMN in PF.

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TBH it really doesn't matter since SE knows where BRD sits. MCH is getting a small buff to compete with BRD as they are a little bit behind. But people who obviously don't understand what their class is capable of asking for buffs seems a bit strange IMO.

3.2 BRD/MCH Buff -> Mentor System?

Edit: hate to sound harsh, but this far into 3.0 if you can't understand how WD doesn't mean anything in relation to BRD/MCH (relative to the higher WD of Melee Classes) Damage and how WM/GB shifts AOE/Multi Target efficiency without greatly altering single target damage thus is a huge improvement over 2.0, then maybe spend more time getting gud, and less time on the forums?

[Sleigh]

I think some people miss the point on why support get a penalty for using their support skills.
As I've shown earlier in the thread, under reasonable usage there is a minimal 2% damage loss. The reason for the penalty is to simply deter over usage of Ballad/Paeon (Promote).

For progression you don't stack classes simply for LB and class synergy so 90% of people wouldn't run 4xBLM etc. Over geared PF content it doesn't matter what you take as Skill>Job composition and noone complains when you are winning.

All things being equal there wont be much difference between a 4 Brd/MCH and 4 BLM/SMN in PF.

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TBH it really doesn't matter since SE knows where BRD sits. MCH is getting a small buff to compete with BRD as they are a little bit behind. But people who obviously don't understand what their class is capable of asking for buffs seems a bit strange IMO.

3.2 BRD/MCH Buff -> Mentor System?

Edit: hate to sound harsh, but this far into 3.0 if you can't understand how WD doesn't mean anything in relation to BRD/MCH (relative to the higher WD of Melee Classes) Damage and how WM/GB shifts AOE/Multi Target efficiency without greatly altering single target damage thus is a huge improvement over 2.0, then maybe spend more time getting gud, and less time on the forums?

This is true but it's even simpler than this. People are acting as if Hypercharge/Foe's don't exist, and BRD/MCH should be fighting for #1 dummy DPS while providing Foe's/Hypercharge, providing the option of TP/MP, awesome multi-DoTs, AoE, ramp-up due to near death enemies (have people seen what BRD can do when an enemy is sub-20% for longer than a minute, like T13 and A3S? BRD gets melee level legitimately during that time in terms of ST sustain), and being ranged on top of this.

Yeah let's just make them do equal DPS as the other guys! While we're at it let's just do DRG MCH MCH MCH as the optimal comp, sounds good?

You don't give a class with all these advantages the exact DPS as MNK/BLM, people. They are out-contributing most DPS in raid DPS as it currently is, including said BLM/MNKs, in skilled hands, regardless of TP/MP regeneration.