Issue with double standards with Se and defining between dps and support.

[Kayko]

In reality

- While BRD/MCH has lower single target damage than other classes, the majority of content does not involve straight single target encounters, and when they do they are broken up into small burst phases with downtime in between.


BRD is roughly 7%
MCH is roughly 9%

Made up numbers are made up.

Taking a look at the available numbers for Alexander Savage shows a different story.
I took the top 400 (if available) and averaged the dps.
BRD=1309.4
BLM=1431.8
DRG=1391.4
MCH=1182.9
MNK=1470.2
NIN=1289.9
SMN=1480.3


Average DPS among all damage dealing jobs throughout Alexander Savage is 1365.1.
That puts (JOB = #%) above/below average
BRD = -4.17%
BLM = 4.77%
DRG = 1.91%
MCH = -14.30%
MNK = 7.41%
NIN = -5.67%
SMN = 8.10%

Just looking at ranged puts an average DPS at 1351.1 and that turns into:
BRD = -3.14%
BLM = 5.80%
MCH = -13.27%
SMN = 9.12%

If you wish to take a look at how things all came out with avarages among sections and jobs, here is a quick spreadsheet that has the numbers side by side. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...icTxC4evtii_ys

Keep in mind that these percentages are against the AVERAGE DPS. Take MCH who is 13% behind the average is actually about 22.5% behind SMN or 19% behind BLM. BRD is almost 9% behind BLM.

[Sleigh]

Made up numbers are made up.

Two things.

You are averaging all of Savage (and I'm not sure what the top 400 proves, I can tell you right now the a whole lot of the top 400 of any class aren't performing very well) which highly leans towards casters due to their A1 and A2 supremacy.

and

His 7% for BRD, 9% for MCH, the entire basis for you doing that averaging out, were in relation to Disembowel's effect on BRD/MCH, not some statistic on how far they are behind other classes.

[whiskeybravo]

You are averaging all of Savage (and I'm not sure what the top 400 proves, I can tell you right now the a whole lot of the top 400 of any class aren't performing very well) which highly leans towards casters due to their A1 and A2 supremacy.

This kinda seems like a moot point since it's the only information available, regardless of the quality of information, it's the best collection of job/community performance available. Probably didn't need to go all the way to 400 but that helps even out all those padded dps numbers.

I find it pretty interesting, didn't seem like MCH was that far behind.

[Judge_Xero]

Huh? If you know your job's dps rotation to a pretty strong degree goto any training dummy and you will see what I am talking about. That is the only true way that every job can be properly calculated for an accurate window of which dd is actually stronger. On a training dummy you will see monk/ninja/dragoon pull ahead of the bard by more then just a 8-9% margin.

Not correct, since each class has it's strengths and weaknesses. In that case you are only comparing the single target potential of a class. If that was the case you could say, the only proper way to compare classes was in an AOE rotation.

You should go to an area with 3-4 Training Dummy's together and compare all classes. I can't remember exactly what it is for BRD on 4 Mobs but I think it's in the range of a +60% difference VS single target.