Issue with double standards with Se and defining between dps and support.

[Sleigh]

This topic's funny ...

BRD/MCH raid DPS contribution is fine, especially BRD with smart Foe's. They don't need a DPS boost (MCH kind of does; I vote Hypercharge works on all damage types), they're already reasonably close to melee on single target (with a DRG) while providing said raid utility AND gaining more from breaks/adds/AoE than most, not to mention the near mandatory TP contributions. Shall we return to 2.0 when BRDs were just a bit stronger and you'd want to stack them? Even by 2.4, when they started scaling mega upwards with crit (and as will happen in 3.2 and 3.4 probably), BRD was borderline stackable if you played with godly ones.

If this topic's about, "oh my 4 BRDs should would stink in DF!" I must say ... yeah, so? DRK DRK without a NIN would stink. Casters without BRD stacked wouldn't be that great. 4 NIN wouldn't even be that great, they wouldn't coordinate their Trick Attacks too well in a DF this is for certain. There are optimal comps out there, and there are comps that aren't intended, but the difference isn't a big enough deal. You don't enrage in DF content (which is mostly outdated or extremely easy content), you don't fail tight DPS checks (because there aren't any in general); what happens in DF is you get paired with 3-4 other DPS who suck at their jobs to the point where you could be a Shield Oath PLD and probably beat some of them. You don't balance party synergy around what the DF can come up with for a comp, this game doesn't even have serious content to do in DF.