Issue with double standards with Se and defining between dps and support.

[DarkerOrange]

Another totally nonsensical post by Vlady, woo.

Any content where party composition is totally random can be done with any combination by people in their sleep (dungeons, VA, Diadem etc).

All serious raid teams are still bringing either a BRD or a MCH whenever possible, so the argument that they are sub-par or not being used just doesn't hold up.

[Judge_Xero]

No, you have up to 4 who all took a 10% WD loss to exist and 1 that takes the DPS loss to cast.

Edit: And as Kelevra wrote, any dps combination should be viable for any content, because the DF will stick any combination together.

But that is what I'm saying. 4 support would be viable. Especially if it's 4 MCH all rotating Hypercharge.

Even BRDs can still rotate Foes at 0 DPS loss for higher healer DPS.

Besides, in the DF the greater concern is whether some can even play their class not the 5-10% difference between support and dps damage.

[Kelevra]

But that is what I'm saying. 4 support would be viable. Especially if it's 4 MCH all rotating Hypercharge.

Even BRDs can still rotate Foes at 0 DPS loss for higher healer DPS.

Besides, in the DF the greater concern is whether some can even play their class not the 5-10% difference between support and dps damage.

...random party comp of:

Paladin, Paladin, Astrologian, Astrologian, Bard, Bard, Bard, Bard (and they all rotate Foe's as you suggest)


yeah....no thank you

[Arrik]

But that is what I'm saying.

Well at least with multiple support classes you will only have 1 who takes a DPS loss.

That's not what you said. More than 1 support dps is not just a dps loss for 1 as stated. It may be a loss of 1 over the other support dps (which may be what you ment) but they are all clearly behind a regular dps so they are all taking a dps loss for simply existing.

...random party comp of:

Paladin, Paladin, Astrologian, Astrologian, Bard, Bard, Bard, Bard (and they all rotate Foe's as you suggest)


yeah....no thank you

The horror!

[AskaRay]

...random party comp of:

Paladin, Paladin, Astrologian, Astrologian, Bard, Bard, Bard, Bard (and they all rotate Foe's as you suggest)


yeah....no thank you

But it is possible to get through DF'd stuff with this...
any of the raids? Coil? Well, show me a more balanced DF group that gets through that, too.

[Kelevra]

But it is possible to get through DF'd stuff with this...
any of the raids? Coil? Well, show me a more balanced DF group that gets through that, too.

...no Int debuff, no slashing debuff, alot of non-traited Blood for Blood (with ranged dps having the least max health among physical dmg dealers), LB3 being weaker than both melee and caster, no Eye for an Eye/Virus, RNG utilty with Astrologian, etc, etc with that particular random party make up

...is it possible, didn't say it wasn't, but still at a disadvantage vs a random composition comprised of 4 melee or 4 casters

[AskaRay]

...no Int debuff, no slashing debuff, alot of non-traited Blood for Blood (with ranged dps having the least max health among physical dmg dealers), LB3 being weaker than both melee and caster, no Eye for an Eye/Virus, RNG utilty with Astrologian, etc, etc with that particular random party make up

...is it possible, didn't say it wasn't, but still at a disadvantage vs a random composition comprised of 4 melee or 4 casters

But it's still possible. Unless everyone is a terrible player, you will still clear the content. It's not like it's utterly unbeatable.
No, it isn't "ideal" but it is a thing that can be done.

Do I want a WD buff? Sure I do, but the fact is we probably aren't getting one and if we don't it's not game breaking.

[Kelevra]

But it's still possible. Unless everyone is a terrible player, you will still clear the content. It's not like it's utterly unbeatable.
No, it isn't "ideal" but it is a thing that can be done.

Do I want a WD buff? Sure I do, but the fact is we probably aren't getting one and if we don't it's not game breaking.

thanks, that's sorta what the topic of the thread has been getting at

[Vlady]

Another totally nonsensical post by Vlady, woo.

Any content where party composition is totally random can be done with any combination by people in their sleep (dungeons, VA, Diadem etc).

All serious raid teams are still bringing either a BRD or a MCH whenever possible, so the argument that they are sub-par or not being used just doesn't hold up.

Why not tell me what about my post is wrong over trolling my posts once again. Harassing people on the forums can get you banned.

[Judge_Xero]

That's not what you said. More than 1 support dps is not just a dps loss for 1 as stated. It may be a loss of 1 over the other support dps (which may be what you ment) but they are all clearly behind a regular dps so they are all taking a dps loss for simply existing.


The horror!

But that is what I am getting at as well. The support classes with the way content is designed are not behind on dps.