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    Quote Originally Posted by Hachiko View Post
    Would it be worth it to put together a heavy Dex set, e.g.:

    Complete Control I & II +15 Dex
    Cobalt Coif (Red) +2 Dex (Or Woolen Turban w/ +3 Dex)
    3x Amythest Rings (or 4x Fluorite) +21 Dex (+20 Dex)
    Tortoiseshell Scale Mail +6 Dex
    Cobalt Plated Jackboots (Red) +3 Dex
    Cobalt Vambraces (Red) +3 Dex
    Raptorskin Subligar +4 Dex

    That would be ~+53 Dex, Would that be enough to test the impact it has?

    Also, I think Steel Tassets might be worth mentioning for waist slot. It's less defense than the other belts being only level 32, but it's the only belt with + attack, and seems like a viable option compared to Penance, for now.
    When testing individual stat impact, you need to make sure that the control has as close to the same amount of non-tested stats as possible. If you can achieve that, test away. A margin of ~53 is more than healthy enough.

    I hadn't noticed Steel Tassets, but I don't really see a reason to recommend them. Too much of an in-between measure -- if survivability is an issue, Peisteskin Hunting Belt wins because you can attach tier 4 materia to it. If you're shooting for maximum contribution to DPS, Penance wins.
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    Great write up, I see only 1 problem though. Craftable items with 1 materia would beat out the Ifrit lance. I would just change your weapons to Hart lance +123 > Ifrit weapon > others.



    There are almost no rare/ex gear at 50 that beat out craftable with materia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serdapi View Post
    Great write up, I see only 1 problem though. Craftable items with 1 materia would beat out the Ifrit lance. I would just change your weapons to Hart lance +123 > Ifrit weapon > others.

    Second Penance would not beat out most belts with a materia attached.

    There are almost no rare/ex gear at 50 that beat out craftable with materia.
    Penance is the only belt with a +STR modifier, although you can throw + HP onto a crafted belt, if you don't have survivability issues Penance is hands-down the way to go. You have to keep in mind things like +STR/+Att/+Crit materia can only be attached to certain slots, and belt is not one of them.
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    Ya you caught me I forgot that till right after I posted. But the weapons are meldable with +str/att/crit.

    Also re-reading Life Surge applies the lifesteal bonus to all attacks. When soloing Life surge > speed surge.
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    Last edited by Serdapi; 10-26-2011 at 02:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serdapi View Post
    Ya you caught me I forgot that till right after I posted. But the weapons are meldable with +str/att/crit.
    Yes, but I believe Ifrit's Harpoon is still better up until two materia? No idea to be completely honest, but I think that's the case. I still have yet to get my Harpoon. I haven't even gotten anything I didn't want yet. :/
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    Melded +2 Hart Guisarme (142 base damage) definitely does not beat Ifrit's Harpoon. Base damage is by far the most significant attribute on a weapon, point-for-point.
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    You must be talking pure spike damage from a ws. Or you have yet to test out Hart NQ +crit materia. Since your WS can crit now a crit Doomspike II with Hart will do less damage but you will crit more often BY FAR. I'm guessing you haven't tested the hart+crit and ifrit.

    If you have I'd like to see documented evidence. I do believe you that big numbers are fun and might lead you to believe something is better but if you are doing big numbers but crit hitting like 20% less than somebody with hart+crit then you are still doing less damage.

    I'm not saying you're wrong exactly I would just like to see documentation. I know lots of people that think rare/ex items from "big" fights are/should be the best so they gloat that they are because they have them. Just making sure this isn't the case.
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    We've parsed strongholds and hundreds of Ifrit fights with melded Hart NQs, +1s, and a +2 vs. Ifrit's Harpoon. Base damage far outweighs any benefit from one Savage Might materia. Inflated crit rates during Ifrit fights occur due to player choice as to which WS they apply Blindside to; regular variance also applies. Savage Might definitely does not boost crit rate by 20%.
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    Neat were can I see these parsers docs?

    Also is this only on the Ifrit fight? If thats the case then the lance might be the best for that fight but not xp/other nms/other fights? correct?

    I was unaware that your post was meant purely to the Ifrit fight.
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    Last edited by Serdapi; 10-26-2011 at 04:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serdapi View Post
    Neat were can I see these parsers docs?

    Also is this only on the Ifrit fight? If thats the case then the lance might be the best for that fight but not xp/other nms/other fights? correct?

    I was unaware that your post was meant purely to the Ifrit fight.
    See:
    Quote Originally Posted by carraway View Post
    We've parsed strongholds and hundreds of Ifrit fights with melded Hart NQs, +1s, and a +2 vs. Ifrit's Harpoon.
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