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  1. #1
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    Noxifer's Avatar
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    C'alih Tia
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    Phoenix
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ilenya View Post
    I was responding to that. If he only meant the Extreme Trials, then I get the comment in a sense, but still...
    Ah yeah. For Thordan Story Mode, I was pretty much in 57 gear as well. Oh wait, I had the HQ lvl58 gear I got from the quests. But yeah, to this day, I haven't seen a single tank piece (apart from trinkets) drop in the Library >.< Oh! except for one time. When I was healing. Story of my life right there. It's the same with the Arboretum/PharosHM. Only seen tank gear drop when I heal -- and the tank either Needs on it, or I lose the Greed roll >.<

    For that matter, I still don't have the i80 tank head piece from the Labyrinth of the Ancients. I lost count of how many times I ran it, back when people still did due to the weekly, just to get that one piece of the gear set.
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    Nathair's Avatar
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    Saoghal Fuadan
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    Raiden
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ilenya View Post
    I was responding to that. If he only meant the Extreme Trials, then I get the comment in a sense, but still...
    Please read it again: the guy had i200 accessories.
    As in, esoteric accessories.
    And a lvl 57 weapon.
    I would've noticed very low HP otherwise, and MT without a question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Februs View Post
    40, painful, minutes later, we clear the final boss room, in which both adds were ignored for far too long, and all of the idols were killed by me, not the dps. I couldn't get out of there fast enough.
    I'm surprised you didn't kick the healer, it would've been perfectly reasonable since they were not doing their job.
    Kudos for endurance :s
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    I gave up on expecting tank/healer balance after SB.

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    Ebonwings's Avatar
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    Ebonwings Drakostorm
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Aboretium at the last bee hive part where people sacrifice a tank just to get inside the boss room while us tanks get 2 final stings back to back xD
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    Player Februs's Avatar
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    Februs Harrow
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    Diabolos
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Alright, so I did my 50 roll in the morning. Got Wanderers HM. Had a Whm, Blm, and drg ... and I wanted to murder the lot of them. The main problem was the healer. For some bizarre reason, they seemed to be having trouble keeping up with the group (physically) and was acting like a general asshat.

    The first signs of trouble are in the second pull. I get everything up to the locked gate, turned around, and the healer is missing. I don't see how this can be, because they were literally right next to me during the first pull (well within range of every single AoE). Yet, somewhere between the first locked gate and the second one, the healer just up and disappeared on us. It was weird, but I managed to pop a Stone Skin to buy the healer time to catch up. He/She does some healing. I survive. We move on.

    We get to the first boss. Everyone on the team is on my butt, so I pull. I position the boss, and notice my hp start to drop. Damage is light, so it's not a big deal. I just assume the healer is dps'ing ... only the spears aren't dying, because the dps is ignoring them. Frustrating, but with my additional Dps we manage to clear them out. I check my Hp bar ... and it is at 25%. I'm not seeing any stones being thrown around, so I find this weird. I pop a sentinel and convalescence to give the healer a boost, but I don't receive a single heal. I'm now under 1000 hp. I throw up a stone skin to put off the inevitable, and I'm about to ask the healer what in the flying F*ck they are doing, when I notice that they're not even in the arena. The stopped right outside the door, and did not come in with the rest of us.

    The Dps are not nearly good enough to kill the boss before I die, so we wipe. I ask the healer why they got locked out. I got no response. For the remainder of the dungeon, the healer is still, periodically, stopping in random spots and leaving the team high and dry. I have to look over my shoulder before every pull just to make sure they're still with the group, because the healer might be off picking their nose or chasing butterfly's or some such. Even when they are with the team, they're not really doing their job. On several occasions the healer would simply run in circles around me (I wish I was F*cking joking here) instead of healing or even dps'ing. To make matters worse, the dps are actively ignoring every single boss mechanic in the dungeon.

    40, painful, minutes later, we clear the final boss room, in which both adds were ignored for far too long, and all of the idols were killed by me, not the dps. I couldn't get out of there fast enough.
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    Sida's Avatar
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    Sida Bajihri
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    Phoenix
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Februs View Post
    40, painful, minutes later, we clear the final boss room, in which both adds were ignored for far too long, and all of the idols were killed by me, not the dps. I couldn't get out of there fast enough.
    Couple things that come to me as possible reasons. Was that the healers first run in that dungeon? Or first run in a mass pull dungeon in general. When I got it first time ages ago now, it took me by surprise. And couple of the chests are a bit out of the way, if she went to them assuming you'd just do normal pull of about two groups, no wonder they are left behind.

    First boss comes, they stand just right outside starting to type a question about mechanics, trusting to the common gesture that people don't pull until everyone is inside, and end up locked out when typing. Later in the dungeon they don't dare ask anything from you because, from their point of view you've been the arrogant asshats who pull boss without waiting everyone to be in, and instead tries to get answers from /fc chat or online which causes the pauses.

    Just, possible other side to your story to think of.
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    If you say 'pls' because it's shorter than 'please', I say 'no' because it's shorter than 'yes'.

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    Player Februs's Avatar
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    Februs Harrow
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    Diabolos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sida View Post
    Couple things that come to me as possible reasons. Was that the healers first run in that dungeon? Or first run in a mass pull dungeon in general.
    There was no noob bonus, so no. Everyone had been there before. The healer didn't seem new to big pull heals either. It was more like they were semi-afk or something.

    To give you an example, after the first boss I did a two step pull in the following hallway, and the healer had no problem keeping me alive ... until they stopped healing. It's not that they couldn't keep me up. They just stopped casting (full Mp, just to cover that base) and proceeded to, literally, run circles around my character (getting nailed by several AoE's in the process). We killed the mobs before they killed me (thankfully), and we moved on, but the healer just stood there for a minute and had to pop sprint to catch up again. After that, I proceeded to do baby pulls (one group at a time), because I simply didn't trust the Healer to not drift off into lala-land during the fights and the Dps were too slow to guarantee victory before death.

    They also didn't stop at the short pulls, or even at a pull, for that matter. They were just plain stopping. We'd be running along, and they'd just come to an abrupt stop (No DC indicator either) in the middle of an empty hallway. Nothing there, and I don't have aggro on anything. They just stopped, frequently and for no apparent reason. They also didn't so much as utter a word during the entire run, even when I asked and gave them ample time to respond after the first boss wipe.

    If I had to guess, I'd say that they were either being intentionally stupid (running circles around your tank and eating AoE's to the face instead of doing their job would suggest this), or they were thoroughly distracted by FC chat or real life ... in which case then they should not have queued for a dungeon in the first place.
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    Last edited by Februs; 03-12-2016 at 07:21 AM.

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    bardaboo's Avatar
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    Kochie Monster
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    Cactuar
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    Bard Lv 60
    Last night, tanking expert roulette. Lost city hard, bard and mch, and whm. Bard and mch killing adds extremely slowly. Not using any cooldowns, hawks eye, internal release, blood for blood, raging strikes, nothing. Saw maybe one or cooldown on first boss. Whm wasn't dpsing at all either, and mobs don't hit hard at all in expert. So just standing around. Asked after first boss if the dps use cooldowns or just save for bosses. Mch said "sometimes" then popped all of them on the next single trash mob. Took like 40 minutes. Painful. I don't parse but i knew i was top dps as tank
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    Kalix Rockenbach
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    Diabolos
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    So I'm running Amdapor hard, first time but I've seen video to which I tell the group as such. Everyone is cool with it and they say they've been there before so if I do anything off they'll let me know. Cool right? Right. Going through the trash mobs, dps is good, heals are good, this is clearly going to be a piece of cake as long as I don't mess everything up by doing something dumb cause I forgot something from the video. So we get to Achamoth he starts casting that attack that makes shadow clones of everyone that throws down AOEs and immediately I'm like "Oh HEY I REMEMBER THIS I JUST NEED TO TURN AWAY!" So I did.....but the rest of the group didn't so I have 3 AOEs all triangulated on my position. I live, no big deal they probably just messed up cause they didn't see the cast.....except it continues to happen every single time.

    It didn't get any better from there.

    tl;dr By the grace of gods we cleared Amdapor Hard with an awful group with mechanics that was out to get me.
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    Last edited by iAmScallywag; 03-10-2016 at 05:33 AM.

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    Sor-aki Muppe
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by iAmScallywag View Post
    So we get to Achamoth he starts casting that attack that makes shadow clones of everyone that throws down AOEs and immediately I'm like "Oh HEY I REMEMBER THIS I JUST NEED TO TURN AWAY!" So I did.....but the rest of the group didn't so I have 3 AOEs all triangulated on my position. I live, no big deal they probably just messed up cause they didn't see the cast.....except it continues to happen every single time.
    Only had one group that did not do that, I have simply gotten used to making sure mine is faced the right way and then drag the boss to a safe spot.
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    iAmScallywag's Avatar
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    Kalix Rockenbach
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    Diabolos
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Soraki-Muppe View Post
    Only had one group that did not do that, I have simply gotten used to making sure mine is faced the right way and then drag the boss to a safe spot.
    Yeah that's what I did too, but they failed at mechanics at every fight. They had good dps but it wasn't spectacular enough where they could ignore mechanics.
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