Unchained...nothing stays the same (but how do YOU use it?)

[Jamillion]

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I've literally never had any of those problems and I've been tanking on war for over a year, sooo....

[RojGardoth]

Unchained has two mayor uses.

1) Burst enmity generation...

2) Extra DPS...

Unchained is somewhat situation but it should be extremely useful in just about any encounter.

I've typically been using Berserk to start a boss pull, hopefully while Infuriated already but if not then right into BB combo for the enmity gen. Then I'll do the debuff combos. When next Wrath stack builds, I'll sometimes switch over to Deliverance.

I guess to find out what actually works best, I'd have to farm something with the same group for a good number of runs using different methods and see where I lose hate. In other words, I might never know

Thanks for the ideas though. I'll try out some of this stuff and see what sticks

[Syzygian]

I've literally never had any of those problems and I've been tanking on war for over a year, sooo....

Doesn't change the fact that you're facepulling. I'm just saying its sloppy but if sloppy works for you then it works for you. I just wouldn't recommend it to a new tank.

[Warzik19]

Tbh pulling with overpower is infinitely better than pulling with tomahawk. It generates more threat and you are not facepulling if done correctly. It makes it easier to put up storms eye before you even use a butchers block combo which is a big dps increase for your opener. The only time using tomahawk is better is when postioning the boss oddly lIke in t10 and also a3s. Also overpower is better to pick up a single add in a fight than tomahawk or uncomboed butchers block.

[whiskeybravo]

I know at least one war that pulls with overpower always. Hasn't really ever been an issue, it just feels incredibly wrong. Why would you spend 130 tp for 120 pot on one enemy when you could spend 120 tp for 130 pot. Especially considering the extra enmity for a war isn't even needed.

It may be slightly better. "Infinitely better" seems like quite the stretch of imagination.

[Merkava]

Tbh pulling with overpower is infinitely better than pulling with tomahawk. It generates more threat and you are not facepulling if done correctly. It makes it easier to put up storms eye before you even use a butchers block combo which is a big dps increase for your opener. The only time using tomahawk is better is when postioning the boss oddly lIke in t10 and also a3s. Also overpower is better to pick up a single add in a fight than tomahawk or uncomboed butchers block.

Except you shouldn't be loosing enmity with Tomahawk. I can Tomahawk -> Eye Combo -> Butchers combo with ease and never loose enmity to a DPS EVER, I have done this with EXTREMELY good DRGs (they have crazy burst starters) and enmity has never been an issue. Another thing worth noting is that Tomahawk allows you to align your GCD better, when the boss gets to your face you will have Heavy Swing ready, while with Overpower you will still have it in cooldown, slightly delaying your opener.

In the end either works really, it's just that the last thing WAR needs is more enmity in their opener.

[RojGardoth]

This all assumes that you Infuriate on pull, which I believe all WAR mains do, at least when MTing

I do not do this currently. I'd rather build a stack, then Infuriate to get a double burst. Or, better yet, have at least a partially built stack leftover from the last trash mob before a boss. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong here too tho (see below).

BB+IB = (((150+(200*3.5)+(280*5.5))*.75)+300)*2.3 = 4812.75 potency of enmity.
BB+Unchained = (150+(200*3.5)+(280*5.5))*2.3 = 5487 potency of enmity.
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I'm not understanding why you're worried about losing the stacks...

Well, because I didn't have any numbers showing which is better in a boss pull, which, btw, thanks for those. Intuition is often trumped by data :P

So, 3.5 is EM for SS? Which would make 5.5 for BB and 2.3 for anything under Defiance? I'd assume all other numbers are damage except the .75 which is Defiance debuff. Interesting stuff.

[Warzik19]

Didn't say it was impossible just said it was easier. And I did use infinitely wrong yes it is slightly better. And it has nothing to do with starting the fight better with gcds the fight starts the second you use overpower same thing with tomahawk. Your heavy swing will always be at the same time.

[Kuwagami]

I'm confused here. Is it better because it does some extra enmity ?

In that case it just isn't necessary at all. The extra enmity doesn't matter one bit if you go the SE > BB opener like you should.

And the extra range of tomahawk ensures a better positioning and a smoother CD usage in my own (humble) experience over the past 2 years and half

[whiskeybravo]

I could see where having slightly more enmity for picking up an add would come in handy (bastard t13 adds come to mind, tho prepped SS or BB is better for aggro), along with the faster animation they updated a while ago, it probably pulls faster than a tomahawk would in that case, tho I'm just guessing based on memory atm.