Unchained...nothing stays the same (but how do YOU use it?)

[Merkava]

I'm confused here. Is it better because it does some extra enmity ?

In that case it just isn't necessary at all. The extra enmity doesn't matter one bit if you go the SE > BB opener like you should.

And the extra range of tomahawk ensures a better positioning and a smoother CD usage in my own (humble) experience over the past 2 years and half

Pretty much this, I can understand where people are coming from when they say Overpower is better but WAR doesn't need the extra emnity at all. Tomahawk offers better positioning and slightly better CD usage and if we go into details we can even mention that Tomahawk does have more potency and cost 10 TP less.... but not that it's relevant at all.

I could see where having slightly more enmity for picking up an add would come in handy (bastard t13 adds come to mind, tho prepped SS or BB is better for aggro), along with the faster animation they updated a while ago, it probably pulls faster than a tomahawk would in that case, tho I'm just guessing based on memory atm.

There will always be situation when pulling with Overpower is better, nothing is ever set in stone. It just seems a bit... needless against a single target (boss).

[whiskeybravo]

I could see where having slightly more enmity for picking up an add would come in handy (bastard t13 adds come to mind, tho prepped SS or BB is better for aggro), along with the faster animation they updated a while ago, it probably pulls faster than a tomahawk would in that case, tho I'm just guessing based on memory atm.

[bounddreamer]

If you're worried about using Infuriate on the pull, don't be! It has a pretty short cooldown and if you are MT, using Infuriate for an Unchained pull is worth more to get the enmity lead than having burst later in the opener. That later burst is better for off tanking in Deliverance actually.

Squinting at all you people advocating an Overpower pull. If you have to grab a group of mobs quick that you didn't anticipate, sure, but as a pull? Worse, on single targets? Side eyeing that really hard.

[RojGardoth]

Well, since the thread is officially HJ/OT and no one commented on the thread title reference...here ya go! Enjoy! Remember: spandex can never be too tight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx86CxKYtg0

[Twilite]

I wanted to comment on how I use it, but I'd rather keep it to myself.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Honestly it used to be really good. However with the new stance for Warrior I think its kind of a waste. Switch Stance+Use those stacks for Fel-Cleave and switch back after.

Its not nessessarily a "bad" skill, its just it can be better spent elsewhere.

You can also:

Inner Beast
Switch to Deliverance (You still have 6 seconds the protection of a tank stance!)
Use your skills and smash them with another Fel Cleave,
Switch back to Defiance.

Much better use of the skill then Unchained.

Its a good skill, but with the introduction of Deliverance its use is .. well bad.

[whiskeybravo]

Honestly it used to be really good. However with the new stance for Warrior I think its kind of a waste.

The skill itself didn't change, it's still a good skill, the problem is mainly that there isn't a huge need to be in Defiance at the moment. Hopefully with the damage adjustments and what not the new raids will force us to tank in defiance more and Unchained will creep back up as viable damage cd.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

The skill itself didn't change, it's still a good skill, the problem is mainly that there isn't a huge need to be in Defiance at the moment. Hopefully with the damage adjustments and what not the new raids will force us to tank in defiance more and Unchained will creep back up as viable damage cd.

But you waste what could be damage for something that isn't damage. If Unchained also added 50 potency to each attack for example it WOULD be worth it. However right now your just spending your stacks for something that doesn't do damage.

You can use your attack instead, do damage and become a tank for 6 seconds, instantly switch to deliverance and do tons of damage and switch back to defiance instead.

Just doing that and not doing anything else nets you more damage.

[Hierro]

Going back to the topic of pulling with tomahawk or overpower on a single target, I've read that while tomahawk has a x3 enmity mulitplier, overpower has x5. While there are people who say that it's unnecessary need that big of a multiplier off the bat, there can be situations where you'd want that big a start.

I recently I saw a video posted by xeno where he details a new MT opener. He uses unchained just for his first move, then switches over to deliverance and stays there for the remainder of the opener. You can imagine if you're going to boldly start your MT opener in mostly deliverance, you'll want all the enmity you can get your hands on. Of course, he uses the disclaimer that a ninja will be needed, but it's still a situation where overpower is arguably the better choice.

Personally, I use tomahawk in every opener simply because it's more comfortable and I find the animation satisfying.