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  1. #11
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    The thing with healers in general is that you cant just stick a guide and be like "THIS is the way you heal." Like yeah you can try but healing is all about being in the moment not having a set skill rotation lol.

    On topic though, later on in rare cases when people stack up for an aoe hit, you can also use cure III instead of medica, as cure III affects those in range of where its casted, and isnt that bad of a skill if you use it right. Please dont spam it though thats what cure is for.
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    MTQ capture may well be very good, but I expect that push-back was because videos tend to be better for showing dungeon mechanics than they are for teaching job rotations. That's largely because mechanics tend to be relatively fixed for a given dungeon but vary a lot between different dungeons, whereas rotations tend to be either a simple matter of following a "Combo Action" chain (which you should know anyway just by reading the skill descriptions) or else are driven more by reacting to circumstances (which is hard to give in a video unless all those circumstances occur). In the case of WHM in particular, it's almost all reaction based. A good job skill guide should discuss which actions to prioritize over others and which type of situations each skill is most useful for, and that type of guide is more commonly (and effectively) written rather than videoed.

    What constitutes a "good" rotation also varies according to whom you're grouped with. A lot of a WHM's skill has to do with being able to accurately assess how how much damage their tank (or other party members) can withstand and how much they're likely to take. If you're running with a tank friend you play with regularly, you'll have a head-start on this part. But if you're joining DF or PF groups with strangers, you have to be able to vary your healing and damage output to match a team you're unfamiliar with. A brand new inexperienced tank with minimal equipment is likely to need a lot more healing focus than an over-leveled over-geared tank with enough experience and skill to be making optimal use of all their defensive cooldowns. If you try to play the healer role the same way for both of them, then you'll probably be doing badly for at least one of those two runs.
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    Thanks for all the advice! I just managed to get to lvl 30 so I'll focus on Arcanist to get it to lvl 15 before I switch back to Conjurer.

    In response to the videos, I haven't watched it and I'm not sure if I will either - I just wanted to get a bit of advice so I don't put the wrong points into the wrong things or have the wrong equipment. I'm learning as I go along, but I figured I would ask for advice so I have a better view on what I'm doing.

    Thanks again! I have this thread bookmarked so I can look back on it.

    Edit - Although, Arcanist wise - what should points be put into when the time comes to need to do that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FebLalah View Post
    Arcanist wise - what should points be put into when the time comes to need to do that?
    Up until level 30, what you want is Intelligence. After that, it depends on which of its jobs you'll be focusing on, since that's the class that can extend to either of two different jobs, Scholar or Summoner. Scholar is a healer, so is best served by Mind. Summoner is a damage dealer who does better with Intelligence. If you're only planning on doing one of those two jobs, put all your Arcanist points into its primary stat. If you're planning on alternating somewhat evenly between both SCH and SMN, I'd start with a half and half split on attribute points. You can get an item from your Grand Company for a few GC seals to reset them if you change your mind and want a different focus later.

    If you're only doing Arcanist for the sake of your White Mage job, and don't plan on advancing either Scholar or Summoner beyond that, its highest level cross-class skill that your WHM can use will be Eye for an Eye from ACN level 34. (So, up to level 15 is necessary, whereas up to level 34 is useful. Start with the 15. You can move on the rest of the way to 34 later.) In that case, put your ACN points into Int until 30, then unlock SCH and optionally reallocate them to Mnd for the next few levels.
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    You honestly don't have to look at videos for clearing dungeons in this game.
    Not even for classes/jobs, unless you are a visual learner and you just aren't understanding or something.

    I've never watched a video for informational purposes. (In fact it does nothing for me, I have to actually do the content). Everyone is different though, so if you are still having trouble, look into reading some guides, or asking someone to show you a few skils ingame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niwashi View Post
    Up until level 30, what you want is Intelligence. After that, it depends on which of its jobs you'll be focusing on, since that's the class that can extend to either of two different jobs, Scholar or Summoner. Scholar is a healer, so is best served by Mind. Summoner is a damage dealer who does better with Intelligence. If you're only planning on doing one of those two jobs, put all your Arcanist points into its primary stat. If you're planning on alternating somewhat evenly between both SCH and SMN, I'd start with a half and half split on attribute points. You can get an item from your Grand Company for a few GC seals to reset them if you change your mind and want a different focus later.
    Would you say it's a good idea to get Arcanist up to level 30 and switch to scholar? And what's a good way to level besides doing all the side quests? I know of levelquests, haven't tried guild quests as of yet but I plan on at some point and dungeoning.

    Also, I started a new character on Behemoth, the same name, to practice things better and I finally hit lvl 40 as my white mage on Byrn .
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    Quote Originally Posted by FebLalah View Post
    Would you say it's a good idea to get Arcanist up to level 30 and switch to scholar? And what's a good way to level besides doing all the side quests? I know of levelquests, haven't tried guild quests as of yet but I plan on at some point and dungeoning.

    Also, I started a new character on Behemoth, the same name, to practice things better and I finally hit lvl 40 as my white mage on Byrn .
    Switching depends on how you want to play as a healer: IF you want to have the strongest heals, White Mage might be a better choice. If you want to function more like an off-healer, adding DPS and placing shields before big attacks, then maybe Scholar.

    As for leveling, dungeons and FATEs can help level as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    Switching depends on how you want to play as a healer: IF you want to have the strongest heals, White Mage might be a better choice. If you want to function more like an off-healer, adding DPS and placing shields before big attacks, then maybe Scholar.

    As for leveling, dungeons and FATEs can help level as well.
    Mm, alright. Thanks for the help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FebLalah View Post
    Mm, alright. Thanks for the help!
    Once you get into Heavensward, there's also Astrologian, who can do either heal-over-time spells or shields and can throw buffs on party members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FebLalah View Post
    Would you say it's a good idea to get Arcanist up to level 30 and switch to scholar?
    Since White Mage has Conjurer as its primary class and Arcanist as its secondary, whereas Scholar reverses those same two, with Arcanist as its primary class and Conjurer as its secondary, maximizing either of those includes meeting the unlock requirements for the other one. Plus, both of them have Thaumaturge as their tertiary class (the one that's not required for unlocking them, but you can still use cross-class skills from it).

    So, to maximize either of the ARR healing jobs (White Mage or Summoner), you're going to end up at least dabbling in the other one as well. (You'll also want to take THM up to at least level 26 for its Swiftcast skill.)

    The order in which you do things is a personal preference sort of question, but at some point, you're going to want to get all three DoM classes up to at least 26, CNJ and ACN up to 30 and unlock WHM and SCH, then continue WHM and SCH up to 34 (for Stoneskin from CNJ and Eye for an Eye from ACN). Past 34, continue whichever of those jobs you like better (or continue both of them if you like).
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