All the big changes in 2013???!!!!!

[Firesoul]

Its a fallacy of statistics no matter how you spin it. More people left and are hopefully watching this game from the sidelines then are still playing. A simple trip down youtube lane and any fansite can catch you up woth what is going on in this game. There is not that much content to where you NEED to play every part of it to atleast form a personal opinion.

This site is all like minded people or else you are right, they wouldnt be playing, however the dismal amount of us that are playing are not what SE wants, they want the 600k that left back. You are wrong also if you think that the subs only truely effect us. This forum is a drop of water as far as the actual community goes. How many of them do you think is on the fence right now? you will wake up when you see ghost towns and ask yourself why the forums are so cheery when the towns are dead. You will see why. This forum is rampant with fanboism, I feel that other fan sites actually have better arguments and I've seen far better posts on them then on here.

enacting subs is just going to turn those away that want to try a patch they are interested in now down the road. I could give two shites about paying for this game as like ive said i enjoy it enough, but i'm more worried about the fact that there will no longer be people atleast coming in to try patches. Allowing that has caused people to atleast maintain interest in the game and watch it.

After a full year of being away from it how many people do you think will still care about this game? Like i said it is poor business practice on multiple levels. It pushes those on the fence out, and it is an unsound investment to put money in to a already failed game while they push out the non failed version a year from now. Why do we have to pay for a game thats being replaced? It really does not make any sense. SE has more then enough publishings and ips to fund this game until it is actually complete.

Finally somebody who gets it, the problem is not that 60% of people will pay, the problem is that like he mentioned the stats are biased because they come from this site. How many players are NOT registered to the official forums??? Lots I would wager. I could make up some numbers to get you to the same point he is trying to convey.
All numbers could be substituted in to match what really are actual numbers.
Example:

500k people bought the game
100k people play the game
10k people registered and post on the forums
60% will pay to play => 6k will pay
But how many does this actually mean when compared to the actual number of players? Let’s do the math:
6k/100k = 6% of people will pay to play.
Okay, so my numbers don’t make any sense cause I didn’t take into account that some of those people will pay, but we can’t know how many without doing a lot more math, but I’m not good at stats and the crap that goes with it. I could do even more math to figure out the population and sample means, ST Dev, etc. I’m not that good at stats, but I think my point is made.

In no way saying the sample mean/stat of 60% holds true for the 100k actual players. As the proportion of members of the official forums are as mentioned more than likely fanboys and tend to disproportionately favor SE’s games/positions.

Any numbers or vote counts are totally invalidated if given by any site, even this one. It simply can’t take in effect the missing variables of how many post/registered on this site vs. how many play the game. To be accurate, you would need to do a poll on each of the major sites and get responses then do all the fun math/stats stuff like coefficients, variances, covariance’s, sample means, st. dev, some other stuff I probably forgot to get an accurate number of people willing to play.

Wait and see is a much easier approach. Also, he is very much correct as I posted in one of my other thread replies, SE totally wants the 600k people they left back at the beginning, they would be fools to not want them. They need the money to make up for the lack and loss of what they expected to make.

The world is dead other than outside of Uldah. I have seen some people traveling more, but as a central hub Uldah is the current ranking of how many people are playing. If SE hadn’t removed the seach all function where it returned all players in the world we might be able to get some accurate measure of how many people actually play. (or maybe I’m missing some place the info is located at, same for how many people are actually registered on this site/forums)

Either way, without real numbers, from multiple sources the numbers will not pan out. I apologize if my post comes as random musings, I understand statistics and how to read/interpret the information but not necessarily how to do the equations, stats class was a while ago.

EDIT: looking at this post LINKY it would seem a different website came to a difference conclusion about if people were willing to pay or not. Reinforces my post that more sites would need to be polled in order to gather better information/stats.