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    Meow9000's Avatar
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    Professor Moon
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    Tank Void ark legs and body

    Wondering if those two will weigh out better than the eso body and legs for pld and war? Both eso body's have parry, then skill speed and accuracy, while VA body has accuracy crit. VA legs are crit det which seems like it would be better than accuracy det and Parry accuracy. Anyone have any insight or thoughts?
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    Lhei Fox
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    they are better stats wise then eso, i m not fan with parry stats beacuse of rate ingame with it.
    So my thoughts more less why not help do abit more dmg
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    They are better than the I200 eso chest and legs but not the upgraded I210 chest and legs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamillion View Post
    They are better than the I200 eso chest and legs but not the upgraded I210 chest and legs.
    This is the most blasphemous thing I have ever read.
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    This was previously discussed in another thread, but the short version is this :

    CHEST - the VA chest for PLD is 1 relative strength better than the 210 ESO chest. IMO the split is so insignificant that if you have one, you don't need to go get the other. For WAR the 210 ESO is better by 10 relative strength.

    LEGS - the VA Legs for WAR are 14 relative strength better than the 210 ESO, and for PLD are 5 relative strength better than the 210 ESO version.


    *****EDIT******
    I derped the WAR chest numbers initially
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    Last edited by AlexiIvaniskavich; 01-27-2016 at 02:06 AM. Reason: correction on WAR numbers

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiIvaniskavich View Post
    This was previously discussed in another thread, but the short version is this :

    CHEST - the VA chest for PLD is 1 relative strength better than the 210 ESO chest. IMO the split is so insignificant that if you have one, you don't need to go get the other. For WAR the 210 ESO is better by 10 relative strength.

    LEGS - the VA Legs for WAR are 14 relative strength better than the 210 ESO, and for PLD are 5 relative strength better than the 210 ESO version.


    *****EDIT******
    I derped the WAR chest numbers initially
    Is that with Dervy's statement weights? I'll be honest, I didn't realize the gap was so large between the va legs and the eso legs, but I was also taking the defense stat into account when I made my post (thinking the difference was closer to 3-5 relative str) but if your math on the legs is right for War than the VA gear would win out there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamillion View Post
    Is that with Dervy's statement weights? I'll be honest, I didn't realize the gap was so large between the va legs and the eso legs, but I was also taking the defense stat into account when I made my post (thinking the difference was closer to 3-5 relative str) but if your math on the legs is right for War than the VA gear would win out there
    I should have included this with the disclaimer, but yes, this is based on Dervy's weights. It is a 32 point difference in defense, which equals a 1.5% increase in your total defense if you are at 2000 total defense (just using round numbers). You also get 10 more in VIT equalling to 200 ish more health, but the value on the ESO legs is terribly poor for all tanks, but most noticible on WAR as the ESO+ is accuracy/parry.
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    The VA Pants are significantly better than the ESO pants. Ideally you would be able to stick to the ESO chest, as it possesses higher damage weight than the VA Chest, but the lost of accuracy makes it imperative to switch to VA Chest if you swap your ESO pants for VA Pants. Overall the VA Chest+Pants combo offer higher DPS at a very insignificant lost in defense; making the VA combo BiS for any WAR until you manage to clear A3S and A4S for the Gordian Pants and Chest.

    The defense difference is extremely meager, ESO chest and pants just aren't worth it.

    Edit: I should note that I say this from the PoV of a WAR but I would wager that it is pretty much the same for other tanks. In the case of PLD and DRK accuracy is on the chest, making the VA Chest better than the ESO chest.
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    Last edited by Merkava; 01-27-2016 at 03:32 AM.

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    Syzygia Coahcuhhar
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    This is just my opinion, but I feel like its one thing to sacrifice Parry for DPS secondaries and another thing entirely to sacrifice STR, VIT, DEF, and MDEF for DPS secondaries. Parry is unreliable but your actual defense stats are not, I think its silly to sacrifice them for piddly DPS secondaries that make your total encounter DPS go up by an amount so marginal it could be negated by variations in uptime or latency or RNG in mechanics. Parry is one thing but a sacrifice of 10 ilvls of STR/VIT/DEF/MDEF for DPS secondaries seems incredibly backwards for a tank to be doing. I guess it'd be okay as an alternate gearset for running casual content in DF (where you're playing russian roulette with whatever the party DPS winds up being regardless of your extra det or whatever) but I would never take lower ilvl gear than I have access to into any serious fight, and its kind of a luxury of being overgeared rather than an indication of how to efficiently gear yourself for when it matters.

    Like I said, just my opinion. I'll totally admit to bias. I'll wear full right side STR all day but as far as my left side gear is concerned? ...I'm a tank.

    EDIT: Also SE has straight up said they HATE it when people do this so the more it happens the more likely they are to put a cap on it, honestly.
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    Last edited by Syzygian; 01-27-2016 at 03:08 AM.

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    As a curiosity, where are these relative-strength numbers coming from?
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