Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Melch]

It's called "tact". Maybe look into it.

It would have been better to say after the first boss : 'you suck' to the blm. At least it doesn't need explanation. That's real tact in MMOs.

[Cold_Raven]

IMO only an oversensitive moron ignores genuine criticism, even if the criticism was given in a rude manner.

Ha ha... not quite.

How do you know the BLM actually ignored the criticism? Maybe they adjusted their play-style in the next dungeon they did.
If you're rude in your criticism, no matter how justified the criticism is... if you're rude about it then there is absolutely no reason to *immediately* adjust to what the criticism was about.

You're right that they should still think about it... but if the criticism was rude, they are fully justified in taking their sweet time to think about it later, and troll the hell out of whoever-was-being-rude in the first place.

That's just the rules for being part of a normal society.

[Atoli]

Ah, this topic again
I can't help but wonder why these threads are always started with a chatlog showing one thing and one thing only: that the OP is an insensitive, rude person who can't believe someone didn't take his "advice" when the advice was basically "shut up and do what I say because I say so".

Personally, I hold all roles by the same standards.
If they kind of suck, I'm annoyed, but I won't throw a huge fit over it. I'll just keep that annoyance to myself or if it was unbearably annoying, I'll bitch to friends about it afterwards.
If they suck big time (as in, making it impossible to clear the dungeon), I explain to them what they should do in a friendly manner with easy explanations why that would be better.
(if they react in a very defensive way or with insults, I simply leave, because I don't have to waste my time or nerves with them if they are not willing to learn no matter the circumstances. But that only happened once so far in thousands of runs of all kinds of content, so yeah...)

The result:
countless people who actually listened to my advice and applied it on the spot and zero kicks since the start of ARR.
"It's not what you say, but how you say it.", keep that in mind

[Critical-Limit]

Ah, this topic again

"It's not what you say, but how you say it.", keep that in mind

I have this same mindset. I have been kicked zero times since the beginning. And I've met only 1 person who will straight up ignore what was asked of them.

I have a hunch if I start criticizing in the same manner as OP, I'll see a increase in players ignoring my advice. Because most people don't want to accept feeling little and listen when they are talked down to like their inferior.

[Whiteroom]

Well when you get reported one day I'll be here having fun while you are sitting raging you can't play anymore

also FFXIV is designed to for solo players. Use of Duty Finder is strongly encoraged by the game itself and many quests cannot be done with a group due to private instancing. It's a pain in the butt to try and play with a friend.




They're third party software and thus against the TOS, Yoshi-P has stated he dislikes them because it breeds eliteism and thus has no plans to add one. (I vaugely recall talk of them consdieirng adding one that shows Your own and only your own DPS to appese the self improvement crowd though). They have and will ban players that publicly admit to using them.

You vaguely recall more misinformation. Please do a little checking into the things you make up.

[Reilyn]

No they weren't motivated to do better because of it. Infact they were often motivated to get tunnel vision on mechanics because they were so focused on numbers.

Already admitted that, is an unfortunate side-effect it had on players with poor priorities.

My point was that Recount didn't do squat to make people play better.

Now that's just a lie. You really want to pretend the fact everyone will know you got out-dpssed by a healer won't drive people to get better at dpsing?

If I started to be treated like a piriah because I got out-dpsed by a holy priest as a mage of any kind where everyone could see, I think I'd want to up my performance. I would realize I'm doing something VERY wrong.

I've out-dpsed a DRG on single target as a SCH in arbetorium, and I'm sure that guy wasn't aware that he needed help until I let him know. You know what else would help his awareness? A readily available DAMAGE METER.

Recount as a tool was most useful for measuring personal rotation performance. It's actual use in measuring the quality of a player was very unreliable.

Recount also had death logs, and 'damage taken' features, so no, you're actually wrong about that. If someone died to something, it's just as easy to see where they took damage they shouldn't have, and how long they went without healing down to fractions of a second. That was helpful for singling out a certain shitty shaman who kept killing himself to mechanics vs sindragosa back in icecrown citadel because he wouldn't stop attacking the boss when it kept giving him a stacking DOT. I referred to recount to see it in detail.

You call that unreliable?

[Reilyn]

Sorry for the double.

It's got nothing to do with "SJW's" or anything.

Never said it does. Some apologists here emulate the mentality well enough. Do you not know what a comparison is?

What I won't accept, is blatant disregard for other people.

Oh! You mean like what the very people you're defending did to the OP trying to help?!

This ^. First offer advice in a way that isn't rude

Which the OP did.

, if they reply in a rude way or don't wish to change how they play kick them. Don't say anything back at all just kick them. If they want to waste peoples time and be rude about it even after they've been informed so be it, but its back to the queue for them.

Too bad the OP was the one that got kicked, and the person you quoted says they deserved it, when he didn't.

[Andrea]

Too bad the OP was the one that got kicked, and the person you quoted says they deserved it, when he didn't.

I just meant in general, not to the OP themselves.

[Reilyn]

It's called "tact". Maybe look into it.

*refers to first post again*

All I see is him asking if he was indeed communicating with human beings, and 'why aren't you using enochian?'.

If someone gets butthurt over that, I'm telling you from first-hand experience; no amount of tact will fix people with too much ego, and don't want to learn, and the apologists here defend those people.

[Neophyte]

They're third party software and thus against the TOS, Yoshi-P has stated he dislikes them because it breeds eliteism and thus has no plans to add one. (I vaugely recall talk of them consdieirng adding one that shows Your own and only your own DPS to appese the self improvement crowd though). They have and will ban players that publicly admit to using them.

Not really. They don't care as long as you don't use it to harras people.

Proof: http://sqex.to/iS7

'We saw the Elysium clear video, and when they cried out at the end it was amazing!'

They were using parsers as well as (third party) audio alarms for mechanics iirc and Yoshi-P has no problem at all with their clear or playstyle.
Idk if there was ever a raid group who got punished, because there exists a (public) video of their run with parsers. I don't think so.