Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Andrea]

2. Subjective personal opinion. There isn't a mechanic that makes me die if I don't use the level 52-60 skills or any rules saying I have to, nor indeed do they have to be used to put out decent dps and clear level 60 dungeons. They are optional.

Are...are you actually serious? Are you seriously saying that the new skills you get in Heavensward are optional? Are you actually trolling or being serious?

This ^ If 1,000 dps on Thordan Ex is considered good near the end then being able to do over 800 dps without buffs with only the 2.0 rotation seems pretty solid evidence the level 60 rotation is optional in level 60 dungeons.

This isn't an excuse for not doing your 60 rotation... If you do that DPS using the 50 rotation you'd do more with the 60 rotation. Choosing to do less DPS because you dont want to do the 60 rotation is downright rude.

[TheUltimateSeph]

Are...are you actually serious? Are you seriously saying that the new skills you get in Heavensward are optional? Are you actually trolling or being serious?

Yes I'm serious sweetheart.

(you're still doing bad)

Well obviously at the time I was doing the lancer thing I wasn't trying. Duh I was doing "Bad" But the notion that ignoring a level 60 rotation and doing the level 50 one makes you bad is pure nonsense. There are times when you can't help it anyway, when BoD or Enochian fall off, there is nothing for you TO do except the 50 rotation. This doesn't mean you automatically become bad at those times lol so why should it mean you are bad if you ignore two extra skills for a level 60 rotation completely?

[Andrea]

Yes I'm serious sweetheart.

Then if thats how you feel I hope I honestly never get paired with you in a duty.

You literally said that doing more damage is optional. It isn't...you're a DPS when you sign up for a duty you do as much damage as you can. That is impossible using a 50 rotation. Your logic is completely flawed.

How would you feel if I as a healer just wanted to afk behind the tank and let my fairy heal? Obviously any sane person would have a problem with it.

Anyone who actually uses your logic in a duty with other people is indeed rude, bad and lazy. "lets not try to do as much damage as I can, let the other people carry me..."

[TheUltimateSeph]

Then if thats how you feel I hope I honestly never get paired with you in a duty.

You literally said that doing more damage is optional. It isn't...you're a DPS when you sign up for a duty you do as much damage as you can. That is impossible using a 50 rotation. Your logic is completely flawed.

How would you feel if I as a healer just wanted to afk behind the tank and let my fairy heal? Obviously any sane person would have a problem with it.

Anyone who actually uses your logic in a duty with other people is indeed rude, bad and lazy. "lets not try to do as much damage as I can, let the other people carry me..."

I really wouldn't have a problem with it as long as your fairy didn't let us die.

Odett I meant that as sarcasm. "Wow and I thought I was doing bad" Yeah, that's not to say I'm doing good but more to the effect of holy hell these other people must REALLY be bad if I'm this bad and still doing better.


It may be worth noting that I am a casual player. If you ever do get paired with me in a duty I think you will find despite my defending of casuals and "lazy" players you might actually be pleasantly surprised with my performance when I'm trying. And I usually do try my best.

Edit: 800 dps is only being carried if everyone else is doing significantly more then you. If everyone else is doing less then you are in fact carrying them with 800 dps. And I really dislike this whole notion of carrying. The term just doesn't sit well with me. By your logic if someone is doing 1,000 dps and I'm doing 950 I'm being carried. This is so false. Different people playing different classes, some with higher ilevels then others, all contributing. Just because someone is doing 100 less dps then everyone else doesn't mean they are getting carried. Truly being carried is laying dead on the floor contributing nothing while everyone else clears the content.

[Livaille]

Edit: 800 dps is only being carried if everyone else is doing significantly more then you. If everyone else is doing less then you are in fact carrying them with 800 dps.

No, that would mean that everyone is doing a bad job at dpsing.

Different people playing different classes, some with higher ilevels then others, all contributing. Just because someone is doing 100 less dps then everyone else doesn't mean they are getting carried.

Indeed, that depends of people's gear and job. You will obviously do a lot less dps as a 190 bard than the 210 Dragoon that's in your group.

Truly being carried is laying dead on the floor contributing nothing while everyone else clears the content.

I disagree. Doing 800 dps (as a melee dps for example) when everyone else is over 1100 is a carry in my book. Not as bad as laying dead on the ground of course, but still a carry.

"I like the idea of a professional troll though, makes me think of a hideous creature under a bridge handing out business cards."

So are you trolling this thread?

[TheUltimateSeph]

No, that would mean that everyone is doing a bad job at dpsing.

Indeed, that depends of people's gear and job. You will obviously do a lot less dps as a 190 bard than the 210 Dragoon that's in your group.



I disagree. Doing 800 dps (as a melee dps for example) when everyone else is over 1100 is a carry in my book. Not as bad as laying dead on the ground of course, but still a carry.





So are you trolling this thread?

My signature has nothing to do with the threads I post in and if you are really going to pick at that now you really do have nothing left.

[TheUltimateSeph]

I disagree. Doing 800 dps (as a melee dps for example) when everyone else is over 1100 is a carry in my book. Not as bad as laying dead on the ground of course, but still a carry.

Sorry I couldn't resist.

The 800 dps vs the 1,100 dps.


The bad dps truly being carried


Some people just have a warped sense of group participation I guess.

[Andrea]

Sorry I couldn't resist.

The 800 dps vs the 1,100 dps.


The bad dps truly being carried


Some people just have a warped sense of group participation I guess.

You know this is actually perfect. Sums up those who try and those who don't.

[Whiteroom]

Sorry I couldn't resist.

The 800 dps vs the 1,100 dps.


The bad dps truly being carried


Some people just have a warped sense of group participation I guess.

That really depends. If the average dps needed to clear a dps check is 900, then the person doing 800 is being carried. If everyone perfoelrmed at your level, would the instance fail? If yes, you are being carried. If no, then not so much. You are not contributing as much though. In extremes, that can be viewed as a carry. Also from your prior arguments, your picture would be better suited if the dps in front was giving it everything he had, while the bad dps in back only had one hand on the bar and watching netflix on his phone in the other.

If everyone is trying, as your picture suggests, then most people out their are fine with it.