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    tjw's Avatar
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    Kyan Ashton
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
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    While most of what you said is accurate, the biggest thing I'm having issues with in this post is what you deem rotation. Of course the trash mob rotation will be different from the level 60 rotation. That goes for ANY job. I have yet to see one job that is not different when it comes to AoE-ing mobs down and single target. Common sense will tell you that when people refer to lvl 60 rotation, they obviously mean the single target one. Of course you won't be using a single target rotation every time when you should be using your AoE abilities!

    Enochian is up every minute. The time between bosses will be, at the very LEAST, three minutes. That's at least three opportunities to use Enochian to boost your AoE damage by 5% for thirty seconds. Why aren't you using it? Why does it matter if it falls off before the next trash pull? It's not like Enochian has a massive timer tacked onto it like Benediction or HG.

    Most of the single target rotations are situational by default, on the virtue of how the community approaches dungeons (SPEED RUN AOE ALL THE THINGS TANK DPS STANCE NOOB HEALER CAN'T HEAL AND DPS VOTEKICK ABANDON). Does that mean that people shouldn't be using Fire IV and Blizzard IV? No. Usually when mobs are down to 2, or when there are priority targets (e.g. the treant after first boss Neverreap, chimera after first boss fractal, the bomb incubators in Pharos HM, the wall in Arboretum), is when it's more optimal to go into the single target rotation.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheUltimateSeph View Post
    Nice to see you ignore were she actually does imply to use it regardless...
    Or maybe I'm not just addressing her but the topic in general? You're getting a tad too defensive over sub-par play here, my friend.
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    Last edited by tjw; 01-28-2016 at 04:38 PM.

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    TheUltimateSeph's Avatar
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    Adolf Weismann
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    Gilgamesh
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    Enochian's rotation is fairly situational for a few reasons:

    - Both Fire IV and Blizzard IV have longer cast times than other spells. These are not spells you can cast if you need to dodge quickly, and missing a spell in your rotation hurts your overall DPS far greater than other spells.
    - Fire IV can only be cast under Astral Fire's effect, and does not renew the timer. You need to use other fire spells or ice spells to keep up the chain.
    - Mis-timing your Blizzard IV (or having it interrupted) can mean losing Enochian's effect.
    - Fire IV and Blizzard IV are both single-target spells. They're mostly useless on trash groups, and best reserved for bosses or tougher trash.
    Now, having Enochian's effect boosts all your damage, so it's nice to have up by default, but the level 60 'rotation' is situational, and not something you would use all the time. Certainly not for most trash pulls, since you'd only get a few spells off before you move onto the next group.
    Quote Originally Posted by tjw View Post
    While most of what you said is accurate, the biggest thing I'm having issues with in this post is what you deem rotation. Of course the trash mob rotation will be different from the level 60 rotation. That goes for ANY job. I have yet to see one job that is not different when it comes to AoE-ing mobs down and single target. Common sense will tell you that when people refer to lvl 60 rotation, they obviously mean the single target one. Of course you won't be using a single target rotation every time when you should be using your AoE abilities!

    Enochian is up every minute. The time between bosses will be, at the very LEAST, three minutes. That's at least three opportunities to use Enochian to boost your AoE damage by 5% for thirty seconds. Why aren't you using it? Why does it matter if it falls off before the next trash pull? It's not like Enochian has a massive timer tacked onto it like Benediction or HG.
    Nice to see you ignore were she actually does imply to use it regardless...
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    Waliel Hla
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by tjw View Post
    Enochian is up every minute. The time between bosses will be, at the very LEAST, three minutes. That's at least three opportunities to use Enochian to boost your AoE damage by 5% for thirty seconds. Why aren't you using it? Why does it matter if it falls off before the next trash pull? It's not like Enochian has a massive timer tacked onto it like Benediction or HG.
    Because it's only 5%. It saves you one cast per pull, if you're lucky, and most of the time you aren't lucky. 5% is too small to have any real effect in short AoE situations, and if the AoE lasts longer than 30 seconds it's not even worth it to refresh Eno -- unless there's a magic breakpoint with the number of targets, but somebody else can excel that. There is no reason not to use it, of course, but usually it only saves you a few seconds in the whole run.

    Also lazy ;_;
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