Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[TheUltimateSeph]

I know what elitism means, and you making a post to describe it is still missing the point and honestly feels like you're arguing for the sake defending yourself or being in the right.

Assuming that that is the only reason I'm arguing it is very presumptuous. I'm giving good examples and trying to get my point across. Can you address the examples I have given and go more in depth as to why you believe they aren't valid and how I'm missing the point please? I'm genuinely curious.

This was your reply to someone saying that you should have known that you get new skills as you level. At that point, you're skipping over the basic concepts of a game that has character growth (something you don't even need to research mind you, because any game with a leveling system grants your characters more skill, even if it's a beat em up like castle crashers.) It become less of an elistist attitude because you didn't meet their expectation, but more of an "What an idiot" attitude because you've overlooked something really big, but also very fundamental to the game (which again, applies to almost anything outside of this game)

Again this is subject to opinion. You see it as a big deal. And I'm sorry but your whole attitude towards players who don't use skills "What an idiot" is rather distasteful. There is always a good excuse and while the BLM may not have had a good excuse (I don't remember if they actually gave theirs or not, just that they weren't happy) just because you don't agree with it doesn't automatically make it bad.

Our point is, stop defending, making up excuses, and victimizing the people who apparently can't grasp basic concepts of a game (which isn't just not having the new a bilties, but not understanding job mechanics.. This isn't a new thing by the point you're level 50 and you're still doing so. You don't need to "research" anything to know that you get new abilities as you level, and that you get new abilities from quests. You keep making up excuses on why they wouldn't have it (and quite frankly, they're terrible excuses because all it really boils down to is that you're tunnel visioning.)

Maybe I was tunnel visioning but that doesn't make it any less of a valid excuse. I am very sorry for having even brought it up though because it seems to be the one thing people have latched onto instead of my arguments actually explaining excuses the BLM could have had for not using Enochian.

Honestly, no one even brought this (not having skills because they skipped MSQ) until you did, and then you get called out for it. The topic intially started at a BLM that has a skill he already has access to, but chooses not to use it, and you responded with how you didn't know there was new skills between 50-60. Honestly, it really should have stopped at "Yeah i was in a rush to complete the story and I completely forgot I can get new skills when I level", a short-sighted mistake tat you got called out on and should've been left at that. Which goes back to my example about tunnel visioning. The rift is happening because you're throwing out the elitist tag for people apparently to expect others to know that you gain skills as you level, never mind have an understand of basic gameplay that has been reoccurring as soon as level 2 of this game. You perceive it as an attack because it's happened to you, but instead of accepting it and moving on, you want to justify it then label others who have that expectation (because you may have not been able to meet it as such initially) or call people out for having it because it's so fundamental to the game an elitist.

I already explained how this was not directly related to the OPs situation and that I was only trying to give another example of why people may not use the skills as there is more then one reason.

You are still ignoring the healers input after the OP.

Youre so stuck in your bubble you cant fathom someone being ignorant to the game in general.

I think Critical-Limit has a good point. It feels like you just can't accept that others may have valid excuses for not using skills or playing the game to your standards that you are in fact tunnel visioning yourself instead of trying to understand from their perspective. You have already made it clear that you only think they are idiots for not knowing skills existed or for not using them. Can you please explain to me why exactly it gets to you so much? If it's because of these people slowing down your dungeon runs tons of good solutions have been scattered throughout this thread and the forums in general.


Edit:

In the end game dungeons such as Fractal Continuum and Neverreap, there are many dodge intensive mechanics and while for the Dragoon, keeping BoD up while dodging these mechanics can be easier due to the fact that we do not have cast times on our skills, for a Black Mage I am told it can be a total nightmare resulting in nothing but frustration and a headache. For example on the second boss of Nevereap I sometimes don't bother trying to keep BoD up because of how often I have to stop attacking the boss to run around picking up and carrying statues out of his aoe. It's just not practical. The first boss is somewhat difficult as well because of him disappearing for a time but that one isn't as bad. In Fractal Continuum I have seen BLMs have to choose between keeping up Enochian or dodging mechanics such as on the first boss. Several runs I have had BLMs who simply stood in his aoe so they could keep their rotation up. As I stated before I do not personally have my BLM up to 60 yet so I don't know first hand how difficult it actually is but I DO know that how difficult it is perceived to be will vary from person to person. While some may find it easy others may find it nerve racking and just use their 2.0 rotation instead.

I'm also interested in any arguments against this you may have. As in the bolded parts I have given reasons BLMs may not bother using Enochian or trying to keep it up. Why do you believe these are invalid?