Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Kacho_Nacho]

Mentality from WoW. People still think DPS don't matter, that's why DPS have the lowest chances of getting comms compared to sub-par healers and tanks... ><
I don't think this WoW mentality will ever leave MMOs.

Baloney.

It all comes down to this. FFXIV, WOW etc... are games. As such, people play them for different different reasons. Some players want to just hop on, hit the buttons, and walk away when done. Others want to do well and research their class and the encounters a bit. None of that has anything with WoW or any other game.

The drama comes in because the more dedicated players don't or won't understand the more casual player's viewpoint. To them, it's a game. The best a more dedicated player can do is to focus on their own performance and seek out other players who are of like mind. Expecting someone to change how they play because you told them to is an exercise in frustration.

[PArcher]

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No. Good players do understand those looking for more casual play, and aren't at their best. People understand that most won't be putting up A3S clearing numbers (heck, even A1S clearing numbers, though in full 210 as many are getting now you should be able to without much trouble if you know your basic rotation)

This is something else. This is players just being *bad*. Players who think they can do whatever they want and that the people they play with don't matter one bit.

This is an MMO, you *will* be playing cooperatively with others. Having a "me me me me" attitude not only hurts yourself, but everyone you party with. If you can't be bothered to play at least adequately, learning your basic rotation, gearing up with the correct gear (meaning, no MIND accessories on a NIN and that sort of thing. Yes, I've seen that) then this isn't the game for you (or, don't do content with people you don't know. That works too)

There are countless single player games, and CoD, for you to do whatever you want, regardless of what anyone else does.

[Kacho_Nacho]

No. Good players do understand those looking for more casual play, and aren't at their best. *snippity snip*

Good points, and personally, I am in agreement. I was just pointing out not everyone sees the game in the same way.

As far as bad behavior, I wonder if there is a social disorder which hinders people from understanding that they are interacting with real people, and not their computer, on online games?

The me me me attitude might spring from that. The player feels he isn't talking to someone real and acts out accordingly. As you say, there are plenty of single player games out there for those types of people.

[Eothas]

The drama comes in because the more dedicated players don't or won't understand the more casual player's viewpoint. To them, it's a game.

Hm...? To good players, it's a game too. I know players that play games way less hours per week than the so called "casual players" and still are better than them. No one is expecting players to be playing at the top of its skill ceiling, but I don't know, they should at least try, maybe. Doing 400 DPS with i200 gear is literally pressing one button over and over again.

Why are low standards for dps acceptable?.

Low standards are acceptable for all roles. Specially when healers and tanks can pull the Prima Donna Diva card. Bad players will find all excuses in the world to justify bad play, it's not worth to care about it. For example, whenever I have a bard in my party, I just pretend that 'Foe Requiem' does not exist.

[FoxyAreku]

Low standards are acceptable for all roles. Specially when healers and tanks can pull the Prima Donna Diva card. Bad players will find all excuses in the world to justify bad play, it's not worth to care about it. For example, whenever I have a bard in my party, I just pretend that 'Foe Requiem' does not exist.

Not really, as when a tank or healer screws up/is bad, people die. When a dps screws up/is bad...oh well, the fight takes a little longer.

[Chiramu]

Not really, as when a tank or healer screws up/is bad, people die. When a dps screws up/is bad...oh well, the fight takes a little longer.

When the tank screws up and a DPS dies from it the party kicks the DPS.

[Eothas]

Not really, as when a tank or healer screws up/is bad, people die. When a dps screws up/is bad...oh well, the fight takes a little longer.

Indeed, but it's still acceptable most of the time anyway. I think most players just don't care, including me, even if for different reasons. I don't even remember the last time someone was called out for bad play in DF.

Also, just being able to maintain aggro as a tank and keep the tank alive as a healer is not exactly high standards IMO.

[Asmodai]

Mentality from WoW. People still think DPS don't matter, that's why DPS have the lowest chances of getting comms compared to sub-par healers and tanks... ><
I don't think this WoW mentality will ever leave MMOs.

No, in wow everyone tried if they didnt everyone would know because of parsers. This really only seems to be rampant in ffxiv.

[Belhi]

No, in wow everyone tried if they didnt everyone would know because of parsers. This really only seems to be rampant in ffxiv.

In LFG in WoW? Hardly. I actually tend to find FF14 dps tend to be more proactive than WoW dps simply because mechanically FF14 is much more demanding on dps in non raid settings. There are a lot of encounters in FF14 that if the dps don't do their job you wipe. That is almost non existent in WoW.

Infact in WoW parsers have the opposite effect. DPS are so focused on maxing their parser numbers they ignore mechanics so they can try to pump out higher numbers, usually resulting in the healers and tanks having to compensate for DPS getting tunnel vision and not doing their jobs. Plus when you criticize them for ignoring the mechanics they link their parser dps to show how leet they are and how you don't know what your talking about.

One thing you can say for the lack of parsers is their is generally less epeen being waved around and people aren't mistaking high numbers for actually being good at playing.

[Reilyn]

In LFG in WoW? Hardly

Actually yes. Most of the playerbase had it downloaded.

Recount has been among the top 3 most downloaded addons from curse client for over 8 years.
I had it.
All of my friends had it.
Entire guilds had it.
Any random player that knew of the curse website had it.
If your dps sucked, everyone will know, which also bred competition, and drive to do more damage than your piers. A drive that's nearly non-existent partially because of the fear of being banned for violation of ToS

Yes, meters may be used as a tool to antagonize players, or create habits like tunnel visioning, and greed, but at least the fact that your damage compared to everyone else's is right there for all to see. You'd want to not suck at your class, or else you'd be the butt of jokes. But guess what? People were motivated to do better because of it!