Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Archaell]

I still find it funny that healers are the only forums where it's never their fault, while the other two forums have topics about how they messed up. Dem healer egos need stroking.

The issue with healers is that when the healer messes up it is usually the domino effect of somebody else in the group messing up first.

We also have the "dps vs not dps" argument, so no matter what you do half of the community hates you for not doing the other thing. Seriously, as the community we should finally decide what is the standard.

The healer role is also the most affected one by the performance of the other party members, which leads to frustration, which leads to ego stroking. On the bright side without the ego stroking there would be less healers in the Qs.

[tjw]

I still find it funny that healers are the only forums where it's never their fault, while the other two forums have topics about how they messed up. Dem healer egos need stroking.

That topic is kinda half and half. I've seen numerous stories where the healer derped as well; usually with the helpful assistance of a poorly timed cleric stance.

Ciri - the topic has been debated to death in this thread, however, there is a difference between 'forgetting' to use a cooldown and neglecting it in favour of personal comfort and laziness.

[Ciri_Wolf]

So if we learned anything from this topic, it's this
If a BLM forgets to use 1 CD, let them know. Same with other classes. "Hey healer, you forgot to stone skin our tank" or " hey DRK, you forgot to turn grit back on" instead of stupid passive-aggressive questions. People are more likely to take it better when you don't come off as a whiny tool.

[AnaviAnael]

So if we learned anything from this topic, it's this
If a BLM forgets to use 1 CD, let them know. Same with other classes. "Hey healer, you forgot to stone skin our tank" or " hey DRK, you forgot to turn grit back on" instead of stupid passive-aggressive questions. People are more likely to take it better when you don't come off as a whiny tool.

I've noticed more than one person mention something similar (sorry to put you on the spot, Ciri), specifically people who don't have BLM at 60. I think it's worth pointing out again that Enochian is not an ability like raging strikes or blood for blood that give you nothing but damage boosts. Without Enochian up, you CANNOT perform your level 60 rotation as it allows you to use Fire IV and Blizzard IV. It's not an ability you can simply forget to use. I hope that clears a few things up for some.

[Ciri_Wolf]

I've noticed more than one person mention something similar (sorry to put you on the spot, Ciri), specifically people who don't have BLM at 60. I think it's worth pointing out again that Enochian is not an ability like raging strikes or blood for blood that give you nothing but damage boosts. Without Enochian up, you CANNOT perform your level 60 rotation as it allows you to use Fire IV and Blizzard IV. It's not an ability you can simply forget to use. I hope that clears a few things up for some.

That's fine. Was just using it as an example is all. I figured it was similar to Darkside in execution.

[Kaurie]

That's fine. Was just using it as an example is all. I figured it was similar to Darkside in execution.

I don't know anything about Darkside. However, how Enochian works is that you gain the skill at level 56 IIRC. At this time, it gives you a 5% damage boost that is oGCD useable every 60s with a 30s duration

if you use it whenever it is down you'll get a 2.5% DPS increase, Raging Strikes by contrast is a 20% damage increase usable every 3 minutes for 20s or a 2.2% DPS increase

Once you get 58, you obtain Blizzard IV, this is only usable when Enochian is up - and when you use it, it refreshes enochian. The duration refreshed is less each time you use it (i.e. if you put up Enochian and spam Blizz IV's you'll actually get less than 30 seconds out of it, so timing this is important). Blizzard IV does not refresh umbral ice or apply stacks and is only usable when Umbral Ice is up.

Once you get 60, you obtain Fire IV, this is only usable when Enochian is up and is a very powerful, slow cast damage spell. This also does not refresh astral fire, or apply it and requires it to be up for use. So timing can be pretty tricky with AoE's.

It is a tricky spell to use, but both your 58 and 60 spell are not even usable unless you apply it, and even if you decide to opt out of using Fire IV and Blizzard IV because it's too hard to keep up (this would be a mistake, but I digress), your Enochian still applies a higher sustained DPS increase than Raging Strikes. It would be silly to ignore it.

[Ciri_Wolf]

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I wish I enjoyed BLM. That doesn't really sound too difficult to keep up. At least not any more difficult than managing Darkside.

[Lemuria]

Without Enochian up, you CANNOT perform your level 60 rotation as it allows you to use Fire IV and Blizzard IV. It's not an ability you can simply forget to use.

Enochian's rotation is fairly situational for a few reasons:

- Both Fire IV and Blizzard IV have longer cast times than other spells. These are not spells you can cast if you need to dodge quickly, and missing a spell in your rotation hurts your overall DPS far greater than other spells.
- Fire IV can only be cast under Astral Fire's effect, and does not renew the timer. You need to use other fire spells or ice spells to keep up the chain.
- Mis-timing your Blizzard IV (or having it interrupted) can mean losing Enochian's effect.
- Fire IV and Blizzard IV are both single-target spells. They're mostly useless on trash groups, and best reserved for bosses or tougher trash.

Now, having Enochian's effect boosts all your damage, so it's nice to have up by default, but the level 60 'rotation' is situational, and not something you would use all the time. Certainly not for most trash pulls, since you'd only get a few spells off before you move onto the next group.

[Granyala]

Now, having Enochian's effect boosts all your damage, so it's nice to have up by default, but the level 60 'rotation' is situational, and not something you would use all the time. Certainly not for most trash pulls, since you'd only get a few spells off before you move onto the next group.

I agree that Enochian is "hit and miss" on dungeon trash. Too much downtime and running between fast dying mobs involved to maintain it.

[tjw]

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While most of what you said is accurate, the biggest thing I'm having issues with in this post is what you deem rotation. Of course the trash mob rotation will be different from the level 60 rotation. That goes for ANY job. I have yet to see one job that is not different when it comes to AoE-ing mobs down and single target. Common sense will tell you that when people refer to lvl 60 rotation, they obviously mean the single target one. Of course you won't be using a single target rotation every time when you should be using your AoE abilities!

Enochian is up every minute. The time between bosses will be, at the very LEAST, three minutes. That's at least three opportunities to use Enochian to boost your AoE damage by 5% for thirty seconds. Why aren't you using it? Why does it matter if it falls off before the next trash pull? It's not like Enochian has a massive timer tacked onto it like Benediction or HG.

Most of the single target rotations are situational by default, on the virtue of how the community approaches dungeons (SPEED RUN AOE ALL THE THINGS TANK DPS STANCE NOOB HEALER CAN'T HEAL AND DPS VOTEKICK ABANDON). Does that mean that people shouldn't be using Fire IV and Blizzard IV? No. Usually when mobs are down to 2, or when there are priority targets (e.g. the treant after first boss Neverreap, chimera after first boss fractal, the bomb incubators in Pharos HM, the wall in Arboretum), is when it's more optimal to go into the single target rotation.

Nice to see you ignore were she actually does imply to use it regardless...

Or maybe I'm not just addressing her but the topic in general? You're getting a tad too defensive over sub-par play here, my friend.