Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[mattlock]

just got into a roulette with a blackmage that didnt use enochian, after noticing when the first boss took longer than expected, I called him out on it and got this wonderful tidbit of dialog


Why is this allowed? Why are people allowed to play DPS like its some sort of joke class
that doesn't matter? Why did everyone turn against me when I was in the right?

Is it because I didn't coddle the DPS when I asked him why he didn't use enochian? Do I have to talk to people like they are children that wlll cry if I don't ask them something in the nicest and most passive way imagineable?

It hurts my soul to see someone not even use a core mechanic of their kit. Especially since I have blackmage leveled to 60 and have done savage and thordan with it.

I wouldn't have cared as much if they had just used enochian, even if they let it fall off due to poor planning or a simple mistake, but to not use enochian at all is unacceptable in my eyes.

[Eylirria]

Time for our bi-weekly re-run of why are bads granted a pass, for being bad.

/popcorn

[Gramul]

It hurts my soul to see someone not even use a core mechanic of their kit

You may be taking this game a touch too seriously.

[RiceisNice]

At that point, you're better off just bailing than carrying them if their dps is that horrid.

[Seraphix2407]

You may be taking this game a touch too seriously.

This is the typical thing most ''casuals'' say. Sorry, but I have to say it. When you seriously do something with people or help people to try understand their class later then say ''you taking game too seriously''. Ever heard about time is precious? What about respecting peoples time. If I KNOW I'm bad, I would rather leave then say something like what you just said. Ugh.

[Kallera]

This is the typical thing most ''casuals'' say. Sorry, but I have to say it. When you seriously do something with people or help people to try understand their class later then say ''you taking game too seriously''. Ever heard about time is precious? What about respecting peoples time. If I KNOW I'm bad, I would rather leave then say something like what you just said. Ugh.

If you have a hot date you need to catch whilst doing that df roulette, you may need to rethink how you play the game, rather than complain about "teh casuals". "Respecting people's time" often sounds like its an excuse for being a rude tool.

[Seraphix2407]

If you have a hot date you need to catch whilst doing that df roulette, you may need to rethink how you play the game, rather than complain about "teh casuals". "Respecting people's time" often sounds like its an excuse for being a rude tool.

Thanks, I really appcriate you call me rude tool. The fact I'm thankful is because most people most of the time can't deal with a person like me around, telling the truth. No, really, I do know it's duty finder that they talked about, but this isn't excactly the issue most of the time. When 7 people who are teaming up together and do well, while 1 is doing bad dps and cant meet the dps check, should I completely ignore it and say it's fine? And pretend something is not wrong? No thanks, I rather help them, much as I help the guys at the gym for doing the excerises wrong, some get offended and some doesn't. Those who get offended however, are people like you .

When I take my time to teach some one or give them a tip or two, but they get offended that's their fault, not mine. I don't mind ''bad players'' as long they are willing to learn. From the reply you gave to me, looks like you are one of those who aren't willing to learn and ignore the problem. Meh.

[Kallera]

Thanks, I really appcriate you call me rude tool. The fact I'm thankful is because most people most of the time can't deal with a person like me around, telling the truth. No, really, I do know it's duty finder that they talked about, but....

Then don't pretend this is some sort of raid situation. The OP was in the midst of a tirade that bothered other members of the party and would have hung in the air until the rest of the run. And the player had someone in their FC, so if it did come to a vote, it wasn't going to end in OP's favor anyway.

So yeah, sometimes you do in fact need to consider whether complaining about the extra minutes is worth getting kicked or rolling the dice on a rep. especially if you are going to get heated and complain about playstyles and how people have low standards and blah blah blah. That is not time management, that is tempting fate.

[Kuwagami]

Is it because I didn't coddle the DPS when I asked him why he didn't use enochian? Do I have to talk to people like they are children that wlll cry if I don't ask them something in the nicest and most passive way imagineable?

Generally speaking, yes. Or else you'll face being ignored, or reported for harassment, or what-have-you. With that said...

You may be taking this game a touch too seriously.

^This

Also, you can't teach people how to play in a single run. Especially in DF parties. Tell them they might want to check up some guides, eventually give them links if they want some, but by telling them what to do if they didn't ask is out of your way.


Generally, I just say something along the lines of "you're not doing the maximum you could do, may I give you some bit of advice ?" and then it's up to them to know if they want to improve or not.

[FlareR]

I was the healer in this group, first like me start out by saying it would have been better if you suggested to the BLM to use Enochian instead of putting them on the spot and asking them repeatedly why they didn't use it. After you said something, she started using it

. The reason the tank said those things was because they were in the same FC. I'll go out on a limb and say they are a couple. Yes, the first boss was taking forever, but there are a lot of new players around now and BLM was her first 60.

This was Fractal, it's not super hard and doesn't require people to know the ends and outs of their jobs. People learn at their own pace. if you want to suggest something they are doing wrong then that's fine. If they change, great! If not, either leave or just stay for the ride.