ATMAs should just drop on the first fate

[Culfinrandir]

Other then winning a fight, no.
Grind and RNG-based achievements are just a reminder that you waste too much time on this game. >w>

So don't play it. Simple answer. If you hate the game & hate putting time into it then you have a serious problem if you continue to do it.

[Whiteroom]

Well the goal of that stage is to get people into low level areas for new players. So SE will want to keep a that aspect, so they won't do one fate.

What would be good is if they matched the drop rates or a bit better than the first Anima stage and allowed you to run it in alternate classes. That last part is what I always found the most annoying about the relic quests. If the goal to rejuvinate old content, why not let us level as well, its not like they nedd lvl 50 to run fates.

[Mimilu]

So don't play it. Simple answer. If you hate the game & hate putting time into it then you have a serious problem if you continue to do it.

Are you really raging in a necro'ed thread that hasn't been touched for three-months? :-B

[JustPlainLucas]

I never really had any troubles with my Atma, hell, two or three of them dropped on the first fate. RNG is RNG, and relics are supposed to be symbols of having put up with it. Instead of wanting things to be easier for you, you should keep your head held high and strive to achieve it! Then you will be even more proud to have it.

Relics are supposed to be symbols of having to put up with it? Does that not sound wrong to you? You aren't supposed to put up with anything in games. They're meant to be fun. Grinding for items that may or may not drop is not fun; it's a waste of time. When you finally achieve that weapon, you then stand back and go, "Wow... I spent THAT much time doing it?" Once I learned that the Zenith (or whatever the final step is called) would just be traded in to skip a step in a whole new relic quest, I stopped ATMA grinding immediately and just waited until I hit 60 and started my anima quest.

[JustPlainLucas]

Now, I already got an anima relic and am starting a new one. I'm finding the luminous crystal grind not nearly as bad as ATMA when I first did it years ago, but my second run is proving not to be as bountiful as my first. And honestly, it doesn't feel like I'm achieving anything with these quests. Find 18 crystals, run 10 dungeons, get 80 items and spend millions on HQ items. It's so dull, repetitive and boring. It doesn't make the weapon feel special to you at all, just a constant reminder that you've spent far too much time playing this game. At least with an Alex weapon, you've trained and gotten better at raids so when you finally win one, it feels like a real accomplishment.

[valeriusdemetri]

4 days of nothing and then yesterday got two for a now grand total of 4 in two weeks.

[Zari]

Now, I already got an anima relic and am starting a new one. I'm finding the luminous crystal grind not nearly as bad as ATMA when I first did it years ago, but my second run is proving not to be as bountiful as my first. And honestly, it doesn't feel like I'm achieving anything with these quests. Find 18 crystals, run 10 dungeons, get 80 items and spend millions on HQ items. It's so dull, repetitive and boring. It doesn't make the weapon feel special to you at all, just a constant reminder that you've spent far too much time playing this game. At least with an Alex weapon, you've trained and gotten better at raids so when you finally win one, it feels like a real accomplishment.

You realize what the point of the relic weapons ARE right??

[Bacent]

4 days of nothing and then yesterday got two for a now grand total of 4 in two weeks.

Better tell tumblr or twitter /shot

But seriously, everyone has RNG screw them over in one way or another. RNG exists in every game just about (Loot drops/rarity of an item/ect). Earlier relic quests have been beefed up a bit, making them a bit easier. A lot of people like to achievement hunt (I'm somewhat one of those), but it doesn't mean you HAVE to do it. the Relic are weapons that slowly get upgraded over time, and offer players another way of getting a better weapon without being hardcore raidy or anything like that. It's just a good bit of a time sink (Hello 1/265 sword of kings in earthbound).


You don't HAVE to do it. If it makes you that miserable then just ignore it. You can get an i230 weapon by doing Midas 4 for seven weeks (One gear per week) then you only need to save up about 2-3 weeks of Law for special items to get an i230 weapon of your choice (With materia slots).

[JustPlainLucas]

You realize what the point of the relic weapons ARE right??

To keep people playing irrelevant content?

[Nyghtmarerobu]

It doesn't make the weapon feel special to you at all, just a constant reminder that you've spent far too much time playing this game. At least with an Alex weapon, you've trained and gotten better at raids so when you finally win one, it feels like a real accomplishment.

And People who did alex and got their weapon don't look back and go "man I sure did put a lot of effort into training everyday to get this awesome weapon, what a waste of time". I have a hard time believing that. Relic was and still is, supposed to be a work in progress from the start of major raid patchs, to give people who do not have the skills or time to raid, and comparable weapon, and something for them to work and strive towards on their own time. With that said, people have different idea's of what and "acomplishment" is, for example, in FF11, getting a relic was a great undertaking, it took lots of money, and many many many man hours, of not just your own, but your FC's to just make 1 weapon. Waste of time or grand acomplishment? Its subjective, and while you might not find it good to pat yourself on the back for finishing it, others are happy about doing it and completing it.

Find 18 crystals, run 10 dungeons, get 80 items and spend millions on HQ items. It's so dull, repetitive and boring.

While I agree that the quest is dull and boring, in the grinding sence, its not meant to be fun or easy in any way. This is on the trail to one of the best weapons in the game, a 245 weapon. I hate to say it, its not gonna be that easy, and I don't want it to be easy. I want it to be a grind, I want to see people struggle for something that is actually worthwhile and stand at the top going, this is a kickass weapon, and I endured this, this, and this to get it. It was long and annoying, but I finished it. Its everything I want the quest chain to be, minus possibly some more lore on the weapons themselves, but they are getting better at that.