Simple fixes for Astrologian

[ty_taurus]

It's not that AST is trying to replace WHM or SCH. The problem stems from the fact that Diurnal is better than Nocturnal in a handful of ways and is better supported by the AST's kit. Here's why:

Diurnal - TD and CO can increase the remaining time on your buffs: your three HoTs (Asp Benefic/Helios and CU), your cards, and LA (by CO only but still). Your HoTs also stack with each other.

Nocturnal - You can also use TD and CO to extend all of the same abilities, but there is a significant drop in usefulness when you extend the duration of a shield that can break. These two abilities also don't stack.

Suggestions -
- Allow Aspected Benefic/Helios to stack.
- Provide some other benefit to Asp Benefic/Helios that stays even if the shield is broken. A Shield over Time on Asp Benefic/Helios
Numbers would need to be tweaked to keep AST balanced, but something like this could help Noct stand alongside Diurnal instead of in its shadow.

[Vlady]

Noc AST was meant to substitute SCH. Noc AST is trash and SCH is OP, it's a fact.
The fact that SCH have a fairy is enough reasoning not to bring Noc AST, but even without fairy SCH would probably be better than Noc AST as an off healer.

This statement basically invalidates your entire opinion. Being able to bring the unique duality of offensive dps that is mana neutral and the buffer of its shield is what makes the scholar unable to trully be shifted with the astrologian. Forcing healers to provide strong dps in tight damage dealing requirements was the first mistake of SE and the scholar brings mana neutral damage while hitting pretty hard. Weaken drain or make the spells more costly would go far in fixing scholars.

[AlphaSonic]

This statement basically invalidates your entire opinion. Being able to bring the unique duality of offensive dps that is mana neutral and the buffer of its shield is what makes the scholar unable to trully be shifted with the astrologian. Forcing healers to provide strong dps in tight damage dealing requirements was the first mistake of SE and the scholar brings mana neutral damage while hitting pretty hard. Weaken drain or make the spells more costly would go far in fixing scholars.

Well if we were to increase MP damage costs. Would you bring SCH over a Noc AST? I'd probably do it. They still have the fairy, they still have the instant heals, they still have adlo crit. They would just DPS a bit less.
You try to invalidate my opinion when you are the one that forget that SCH brings more things than DPS and the one that forget that SMN still exists and nerfing those damage spells would nerf SMN too.

[Vlady]

I don't believe once I mentioned summoner. They are doing a nice job splitting the jobs apart thematically. They can tweak the scholar side without touching summoner and white mage stacking was more viable in 2.0. Scholar was not able to stack like white mage could so why should the scholar not have the lime light for an expansion?

[AlphaSonic]

I don't believe once I mentioned summoner. They are doing a nice job splitting the jobs apart thematically. They can tweak the scholar side without touching summoner and white mage stacking was more viable in 2.0. Scholar was not able to stack like white mage could so why should the scholar not have the lime light for an expansion?

I mention the SMN because the only DPS thing you can touch from SCH without touching SMN is broil. The rest are all tied to ACN. One thing is being in the lime light because it has some charactherics that makes them slightly better in fights for example SMN is better in heavy mobility and multiple mobs fights, where as BLM has better single target and can bring magic damage mitigation to the tank. The other thing is being blatantly OP compared to another class that can't dish that much healing and DPS because it lacks tools like fairy, better MP control, more instant heals, easier tools to mitigate damage...
BTW, maybe people think I want that AST do the same thing as SCH, but not, if it was for me I would rework all the AST set and I would only keep the cards as is the only iconical thing AST has (maybe Essential Dignity and Collective Unconscious too) and i would get rid of the stances as they are the worse thing they could have ever introduced for AST.

[Rawrz]

Is spell speed going to start affecting fairies or what?
*Slightly trolling over the talk of nerfing SCH*

[FoxyAreku]

Noct needs something to put it on par with diurnal, since diurnal can extend regens.

Maybe have something like Deployment tactics where you can spread the aspected benefic shield to everyone? That'd be nice.

[kiraan]

Noct needs something to put it on par with diurnal, since diurnal can extend regens.

Maybe have something like Deployment tactics where you can spread the aspected benefic shield to everyone? That'd be nice.

totally agree with that!

Diurnal -> time dilatation : extends duration of buffs
Nocturnal -> space dilatation : spreads buffs to party members

[Vlady]

Noct needs something to put it on par with diurnal, since diurnal can extend regens.

Maybe have something like Deployment tactics where you can spread the aspected benefic shield to everyone? That'd be nice.

If the astro receives buffs to the nocturnal side of it then the duirnal side needs to be toned down. As of now astro in alot of aspects is a stronger healer then a white mage which is still absurd letting the astro even encroach on pure healing strength of the white mage imo. Give the same buff to nocturnal side then you will find Astro/Astro is the new norm in all levels of high end progression. Throw the white mage and scholar under the bus just to appease the astro crowd?

[deusdormit]

Well guys I guess there is only one solution. White mages and Astrologians grab your pitchforks and torches we gotta knock scholar down to our level

I kid I kid, it's true it's more frustrating that ast abilities are most utilized by diurnal with so many combos that flow nicely rather than shield over and over or waste your synastry for a slightly better shield to use over and over. At least there is a benefit to use certain cool downs in diurnal. It's more the imbalance of opportunity. Honestly I would be okay with getting rid of the sects altogether and making ast more unique or the aspects work like CU and put up a really really weak heal over time AND shield that stacks with both classes buffs