Simple fixes for Astrologian

[Vlady]

Astrologian is ALREADY on par with the other two healers. And where it is not is because of the different abilities each role brings. Buff astro and its raw healing and or synergy will have to be nerfed.

[deusdormit]

He has murder in his eyes is what I'm saying

[deusdormit]

I think Astrologian is very nearly par. Hence alot of the suggestions are fairly small save the shield buff and even SE has acknowledged the aggro problems they have. But as it stands I look in the party finder and more often than not astrologian is locked out. I've seen great parties with 1 astro but I also see people straight up leaving if there are 2 because they want to "progress" (also soooo many peeps get mad when astros use CU when thordan is untargetable cause he treats astros like they just ate the last piece of pizza)

[Kabzy]

I think Astrologian is very nearly par. Hence alot of the suggestions are fairly small save the shield buff and even SE has acknowledged the aggro problems they have. But as it stands I look in the party finder and more often than not astrologian is locked out.

I raid with an AST in savage, it's very much so on par with the other healers. The only reason people want Noct. buffed is because there seems to be this idea floating around that AST must be a good replacement for WHM/SCH as opposed to letting them have their own identity. As for 'progress', dual SCH and WHM groups are also rather suboptimal, so there's no reason dual AST should be permissible.

Unfortunately, similarly to the lolDRG mentality, AST started out bad and so people who know nothing about the job or healing still have that mindset when it comes to the job, hence the hate. This alone, in my opinion, does not validate buffs as there's a huge risk they will become OP and then the other 2 jobs will cry. Something small like enmity reduction is a buff worth talking about, but I agree with the previous poster that nerfs would need to be seen if they want to buff AST any further.

[AzureFlare]

I raid with an AST in savage, it's very much so on par with the other healers. The only reason people want Noct. buffed is because there seems to be this idea floating around that AST must be a good replacement for WHM/SCH as opposed to letting them have their own identity. As for 'progress', dual SCH and WHM groups are also rather suboptimal, so there's no reason dual AST should be permissible.

When the largest healer population is WHM and job-stacking on healers is considered a sin/suboptimal, it is only natural people expect AST to be able to fit the SCH role. Besides, Eos does a pretty good job making up most of the difference in healing between WHM and SCH should a SCH fill the main-heal position.
On top of that, there's plenty sectless stuff that sets AST apart from both WHM and SCH and SE is the one that shoehorned the sect system into this. They can't really buff identity spells for Noct's sake since it would make Diurnal OP. Of course the idea of being able to replace either healer will float around. The people are merely dancing on the beat SE sets while still looking for a way to make it more enjoyable for everyone, which logically means Noct-specific stuff is to be buffed or AST is to be redesigned as a whole.

[AlphaSonic]

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Noc AST was meant to substitute SCH. Noc AST is trash and SCH is OP, it's a fact.
The fact that SCH have a fairy is enough reasoning not to bring Noc AST, but even without fairy SCH would probably be better than Noc AST as an off healer.

[Kabzy]

Noc AST was meant to substitute SCH. Noc AST is trash and SCH is OP, it's a fact.
The fact that SCH have a fairy is enough reasoning not to bring Noc AST, but even without fairy SCH would probably be better than Noc AST as an off healer.

Being the best healer out of the 3 doesn't mean OP, there has to be one healer on top and at the moment it's SCH. But like I've said before, the current raid meta focuses a lot on DPS so obviously the healer that specialises in DPS contribution will shine. It wouldn't be fair to allow AST to have the same DPS capabilities while they can buff and heal too. You can't ask for everything, unless you actually want further homogenization of the roles?

For the record I have played all three healers in savage, including Noct. AST, and we had no problems even with lower level gear. Yeah it's no SCH, but it's far from 'trash'.

[AlphaSonic]

Being the best healer out of the 3 doesn't mean OP, there has to be one healer on top and at the moment it's SCH. But like I've said before, the current raid meta focuses a lot on DPS so obviously the healer that specialises in DPS contribution will shine. It wouldn't be fair to allow AST to have the same DPS capabilities while they can buff and heal too. You can't ask for everything, unless you actually want further homogenization of the roles?

For the record I have played all three healers in savage, including Noct. AST, and we had no problems even with lower level gear. Yeah it's no SCH, but it's far from 'trash'.

The problem is that SCH is much more OP than noc AST. The fact that SCH is OP it's the problem. I think you could nerf the fairy down to 75% less healing and SCH would still be better. Except Cards and maybe some gimmick that SCH doesn't have, Noc AST is worse in every aspect compared to SCH.

[Vlady]

Noc AST was meant to substitute SCH. Noc AST is trash and SCH is OP, it's a fact.
The fact that SCH have a fairy is enough reasoning not to bring Noc AST, but even without fairy SCH would probably be better than Noc AST as an off healer.

This statement basically invalidates your entire opinion. Being able to bring the unique duality of offensive dps that is mana neutral and the buffer of its shield is what makes the scholar unable to trully be shifted with the astrologian. Forcing healers to provide strong dps in tight damage dealing requirements was the first mistake of SE and the scholar brings mana neutral damage while hitting pretty hard. Weaken drain or make the spells more costly would go far in fixing scholars.

[AlphaSonic]

This statement basically invalidates your entire opinion. Being able to bring the unique duality of offensive dps that is mana neutral and the buffer of its shield is what makes the scholar unable to trully be shifted with the astrologian. Forcing healers to provide strong dps in tight damage dealing requirements was the first mistake of SE and the scholar brings mana neutral damage while hitting pretty hard. Weaken drain or make the spells more costly would go far in fixing scholars.

Well if we were to increase MP damage costs. Would you bring SCH over a Noc AST? I'd probably do it. They still have the fairy, they still have the instant heals, they still have adlo crit. They would just DPS a bit less.
You try to invalidate my opinion when you are the one that forget that SCH brings more things than DPS and the one that forget that SMN still exists and nerfing those damage spells would nerf SMN too.