The new concept screenshot is a real-time in-game render!

[Raikki]

But you aren't in combat which means a bunch of flash indicators and such aren't running.

I still find this to be a lot cleaner

Ironic. You countered with a screenshot which is outside of combat, not in a party, and not in a timed instance.

[Jynx]

Ironic. You countered with a screenshot which is outside of combat, not in a party, and not in a timed instance.

What are you trying to somehow say FFXIV is as cluttered as Wow's interface?

You and I both know that even in battle, in a party, with a lev screen up it's less cluttered still.

[Raikki]

What are you trying to somehow say FFXIV is as cluttered as Wow's interface?

You and I both know that even in battle, in a party, with a lev screen up it's less cluttered still.

No? I'm saying that pointing out how "clean" FFXIV looks when you're sitting in town not doing anything is a useless comparison. However, anyone can see that some things, like XIV's current action bars for instance, are a lot clunkier than you can do in WoW using addons.

[Shipp]

What are you trying to somehow say FFXIV is as cluttered as Wow's interface?

You and I both know that even in battle, in a party, with a lev screen up it's less cluttered still.

FFXIV's toolbar is freaking horrible. With UI add-ons, you can fully customize the width, height, how much buffer space is between the buttons, how thick the borders should be, the shape of the buttons, whether you want a portrait for party frames, whether you want to show Mana and energy for other players, whether you want absolutely no toolbars whatsoever because you can just hide them and have them keybound and memorized, whether you want damage to show up on the screen or just in the combat log, which way said damage scrolls on the screen, how fast it scrolls, if it arcs out or goes in a straight line or is over the target's head, the color of the scrolling combat numbers, whether they have the ability/spell icon next to them, how large they should be, whether you want crits colored another way or larger than the rest, or even showing up in their own set area... How many mobs should the debuff timer track, how many buffs will show up on your screen, whether to consolidate all buffs into one box that you can mouseover and then see them, etc, etc.

You can show as little or as much as you want. I could have a UI which shows nothing but the chat log if I wanted, and even then, I could get rid of that. This argument about XIV's UI looking better when the toolbar isn't even brought up in that picture is foolish. I much prefer Lavani's UI screenshot, because it's -fully- customizable.

Also, when talking to an NPC and they say something in the chat-log AND that little box that pops up in the middle of the screen that you can't resize... yeah. It looks bad, especially since it only shows a few lines of text instead of just reading it all in the chat log. Why is it even there when we already have a chat log? It's useless. It's showing the exact same information twice and unnecessarily clutters the screen.

[Zenaku]

Ironic. You countered with a screenshot which is outside of combat, not in a party, and not in a timed instance.

and that still not even as full as how WoW can get with Addons to display information which make it not clean but hey you know that just me.

[Synfrag]

Ironic. You countered with a screenshot which is outside of combat, not in a party, and not in a timed instance.

Well I wasn't going to form a party and enter Darkhold just to take a screen shot. I don't keep SS on hand sorry.