The new concept screenshot is a real-time in-game render!

[Zenaku]

God I hate that old spoonfed bullshit argument, since when was more information being spoonfed, I doubt you tackle real life with those same stupid ideals.

End of the day addons are coming get used to it !

Of course nobody is forcing you to use these addons, stay in the dark, stay ignorant, I doubt anyone will care enough besides to say "you don't have a DPS meter ? "goodbye" "

Finally we will get parser addons that will tell us exactly what stats are doing so we know which ones to bother with and which ones not to, because quite frankly numbers in the 400's means nothing to me.

ignorant? I play wow without addon and tank without issue same with my gf as healer. Sorry but addon are for players who don't know how to play a class wait no "Who does not want to learn how to play there class" I find addon lazy at least the one that tell you how to play. I did not mind the other addon in wow it help out pretty good but there a few in wow that make you think like really? people don't know how to play?

@Krausus not really in wow most raid make you use stuff like healbot and many other stuff and if there addon like gear score -.- then it going to become oh you don't have 450score sorry can't invite you to our "Free company" which i away thought even in ffxi. Oh you can't join our linkshell if you don't have good gear it's like if i had good gear why in hell would i join a endgame i guess it for the few ppl who level up more then 1class.

But still that what happen in wow if you don't do good dps or have good gearscore you can't play with others. I hope if things like that happen SE would ban that type of addon.

[Jinko]

ignorant? I play wow without addon and tank without issue same with my gf as healer. Sorry but addon are for players who don't know how to play a class wait no "Who does not want to learn how to play there class" I find addon lazy at least the one that tell you how to play. I did not mind the other addon in wow it help out pretty good but there a few in wow that make you think like really? people don't know how to play?

Funny tell blizzard this, most of their raid encounters these days are tuned with the dev team using addons like heal bot (no not a real bot), recount and threat meters.

Healing 25 people with no healing addon and no unit frame addon is just stupid (and quite frankly impossible, please show me a video of your GF healing one of the hardmode raid encounters with no addons), these addons where made to make things less cumbersome and awkward the fight still remains just as hard.

Hell look at the FF14 screenshot we are all talking about, those red bars next to the Party list name, I bet you anything that is an updated threat meter.

[Zenaku]

Funny tell blizzard this, most of their raid encounters these days are tuned with the dev team using addons like heal bot (no not a real bot), recount and threat meters.

Healing 25 people with no healing addon and no unit frame addon is just stupid, these addons where made to make things less cumbersome and awkward the fight still remains just as hard.

Hell look at the FF14 screenshot we are all talking about those red bars next to the Party list name, I bet you anything that is an updated threat meter.

Hate meter i can care less but i play wow and my gf never use healbot to heal and did without fail. So i'm sorry at the end that type of addon that tell you what next Spell to use to do the best DPS is dumb you should know that by now by just playing the game from 1-max

getting off topic here lol i hope a dev can tell us more about the concept screenshot i think there just displaying the ui but who knows.

[RemVye]

ignorant? I play wow without addon and tank without issue same with my gf as healer. Sorry but addon are for players who don't know how to play a class wait no "Who does not want to learn how to play there class" I find addon lazy at least the one that tell you how to play. I did not mind the other addon in wow it help out pretty good but there a few in wow that make you think like really? people don't know how to play?

Umm what? Let's test your theory. Give someone who has never played WoW before a ton of "useful" addons that people consider needed and let them play a raid. They aren't going to have any idea wtf half of the stuff is for or what the point of it is.

Addons help you increase your potential by providing useful information.

[Zenaku]

Umm what? Let's test your theory. Give someone who has never played WoW before a ton of "useful" addons that people consider needed and let them play a raid. They aren't going to have any idea wtf half of the stuff is for or what the point of it is.

Addons help you increase your potential by providing useful information.

I don't mind if other use it but when it come to gear score and DPS it become more you do low dps? get the hell out your score is 200? you need 600 to even join our endgame/party sorry goodbye that the only type of addon i dislike. Even showing DPS i don't mind but people start seeing it as oh you do low dps get the hell out right now there tools you can download to see dps but not everyone use it.

anyways we getting off topic

[RemVye]

I don't mind if other use it but when it come to gear score and DPS it become more you do low dps? get the hell out your score is 200? you need 600 to even join our endgame/party sorry goodbye that the only type of addon i dislike. Even showing DPS i don't mind but people start seeing it as oh you do low dps get the hell out right now there tools you can download to see dps but not everyone use it.

anyways we getting off topic

Umm this is already becoming a problem. Why do you think everyone is using Lancer x 4 for Ifrit? Because the parser (dps meter) that someone made shows Lancers do the best damage. Just like in Darkhold when it was 4 archer, 3 mage, 1 tank.

Whatever is the best damage people are going to want. We are seeing it already... check out the Blue Garter LS video for Ifrit, 4 or 5 lancers, tank, mages. "World first Ifrit kill"

[Zenaku]

Umm this is already becoming a problem. Why do you think everyone is using Lancer x 4 for Ifrit? Because the parser (dps meter) that someone made shows Lancers do the best damage. Just like in Darkhold when it was 4 archer, 3 mage, 1 tank.

Whatever is the best damage people are going to want. We are seeing it already... check out the Blue Garter LS video for Ifrit, 4 or 5 lancers, tank, mages. "World first Ifrit kill"

I did it with only two lancer mrd,pug and two thm and conj and gla without issue but w/e when addon become main stream like gearscore a big % wont be allow to do anything with others and this could be a issue with casual. anyways we should get back on topic.


Anyways i don't know why we keep talking about addon when we talking about the screenshot not the UI.

@Wynn agree

@Jinko i agree with you but even in FFXI i did fine with not such good Gear i love when other sam told me sell kirin body and buy hagun and they had pimp out gear and made fun of me with i did 900-1k dmg and they did 2-5k dmg the funny part of that once they do that they die and can't attack for over 5min by that time i done over 10+k dmgs sometimes it's not about the best dmg but living to keep doing that DMG but just for lol sometimes i do 2k and die so i can show them that sometime gear is not everything but i agree with you 100% gear is key to winning not saying no about that one.


Now back on topic the only thing i like to know if this is really 100% ingame or 50% art there noting much we can go by with this just one pic but the other pic about the new maps show players and it seem they look the same as now but little better. Maybe if you have good enough PC you can still get the same level of look like you doing now and seeing how over 80% of players have good pc to even play we should not have any issue.

[Jinko]

I don't mind if other use it but when it come to gear score and DPS it become more you do low dps? get the hell out your score is 200? you need 600 to even join our endgame/party sorry goodbye that the only type of addon i dislike. Even showing DPS i don't mind but people start seeing it as oh you do low dps get the hell out right now there tools you can download to see dps but not everyone use it.

anyways we getting off topic

Sorry to continue on the path of off-topicness.

But surely you realise why people would say that, in most cases i would say sorry but your gearscore isn't high enough for this content.

Fact is that some bosses in WoW are so finely tuned it requires everyone to be on their toes and doing the best they can, if one person is pulling the DPS down then they have no chance of winning the fight.

It's just like with Ifrit if you don't have the DPS you either run out of time or the healers run out of mana.

Sadly gear is everything in these types of games, FF11 was just as bad if you didn't have specific gear at end game you wouldn't be allowed to go.

Having the correct gear, materia and stat shows that you have made an effort to prepare for a fight imo, someone who doesn't have those thing should be told "sorry mate you can't go with thats gear/dps", maybe that seems harsh to you but not to the other 7 people who have taken the time and effort to gear up properly for the encounter.

[neizero]

I don't mind if other use it but when it come to gear score and DPS it become more you do low dps? get the hell out your score is 200? you need 600 to even join our endgame/party sorry goodbye that the only type of addon i dislike. Even showing DPS i don't mind but people start seeing it as oh you do low dps get the hell out right now there tools you can download to see dps but not everyone use it.

anyways we getting off topic

If you do low DPS it's not the addon's fault... you should play better and do as much as your class/gear potentially can do, otherwise you are dead weight and it's good to have a tool/add-on that points out who is dead weight within the party so they can be replaced if needed.

Whenever someone complains about DPS/gearscore type addons I always think this person must either be a terrible player or a very lazy player with low gear who wants to get boosted. If you are doing your job properly you have no reason to be afraid of such addons.

[Shipp]

ignorant? I play wow without addon and tank without issue same with my gf as healer. Sorry but addon are for players who don't know how to play a class wait no "Who does not want to learn how to play there class" I find addon lazy at least the one that tell you how to play. I did not mind the other addon in wow it help out pretty good but there a few in wow that make you think like really? people don't know how to play?

@Krausus not really in wow most raid make you use stuff like healbot and many other stuff and if there addon like gear score -.- then it going to become oh you don't have 450score sorry can't invite you to our "Free company" which i away thought even in ffxi. Oh you can't join our linkshell if you don't have good gear it's like if i had good gear why in hell would i join a endgame i guess it for the few ppl who level up more then 1class.

But still that what happen in wow if you don't do good dps or have good gearscore you can't play with others. I hope if things like that happen SE would ban that type of addon.

Dude, I can tell you haven't played recently, because nobody has used Gearscore since WoTLK. It's all about ilvl now.

Cata has been designed with the use of add-ons in mind. You won't find any top raiders healing without a healing addon, because it's simply too inefficient. I don't use Healbot/Vuhdo because I'm a lazy healer. I use them because it is inefficient to manually click on the player frame, then click a key while targeting them when I can simply mouseover their name on an addon and heal using a combination of key presses. It is faster and I don't have to be targeting them, thus I can have the boss targeted to see when he is casting something.

You don't seem to understand the use of addons, and you don't seem to even give them a fair try. You have gone into WoW with your mind made up that you hate it and the use of addons, thus you don't see any of the benefits.

I find it highly ironic that you're saying addons make you lazy and you can play fine without them, but in actuality, you can't get into endgame raids because you're not doing high enough DPS. End game in WoW is competitive when it comes to securing a spot in a raid. If you can't do the DPS, why should the rest of the raid carry you through when they can get someone who actually is carrying their own weight?

If you're really going to throw a fit because "We could have killed that 6 seconds faster!" then you need to re-evaluate why you play MMORPGs.

Have fun with your 5 minute enrage timers where every second counts. The same held true in XI for certain bosses. Dynamis Lord easily comes to mind. RDM/DRKs having to stagger stun with their 2hr. Timing is key, and one slip up causes a full wipe. WoW's endgame is not like XI's old endgame where you sit around for hours waiting for a spawn, then spend the next 45 minutes slowly chipping away at the HNM's health. WoW bosses last between 2-10 minutes on average. It's much faster paced, therefore that 60 minute enrage timer, or whatever it was that they added in XI is like the 5 minute enrage in WoW.