The new concept screenshot is a real-time in-game render!

[Tsukino]

Also, I don't see anyone complaining about action bar and status icons in XIV having timers, but ho-LAWD did people wave their doucheflags when they found out some XI players used Windower's version of the same thing.

That's because they're not intended for use in FFXI and people who used addons had an advantage over those who did not (or could not, in the case of PS2 players). Some people also felt these led to to more heinous applications such as maps that showed you everything within range or found purposefully hidden stats of enemies.

XIV is much less likely to have those problems specifically by allowing UI modification. In WoW, for instance, early on there were some add-ons that allowed people to things Blizzard did not want them to do, so Blizzard cut that functionality off. By allowing people to make add-ons but also actively giving an indication of what was acceptable and what wasn't, they killed off forays into cheating tools that gave people unfair advantages over the game or other players. In XI you ended up with most of the player base using Windower because of some very short-sighted limitations on behalf of the original development team, but then no one knew where the line should be drawn because SE said nothing was allowed.

In XIV, by allowing add-ons, they will be actively involved in what information players are reasonably allowed to obtain, and they will also see to it that things are more fair for console players when certain add-ons become commonplace.

[Zenaku]

Don't like addons?

Don't use them and shut the kupo up.

Some addon become such a necessities that endgame and other players wont even allow you to join without them this is the issue and always would be.

[Djeserit]

Some addon become such a necessities that endgame and other players wont even allow you to join without them this is the issue and always would be.

And Yoshida has already said they will try to implement popular addons into the game, so everyone will have the addon at some point, whether they know it's an addon or not.

[Arcell]

And Yoshida has already said they will try to implement popular addons into the game, so everyone will have the addon at some point, whether they know it's an addon or not.

And I'm willing to bet a good deal of them are going to be optional/toggle. Kind of like aggro and level indicators, hp bars, etc....

[Finuve]

And I'm willing to bet a good deal of them are going to be optional/toggle. Kind of like aggro and level indicators, hp bars, etc....

the question is will it be optional while still not gimping the player, you may be able to turn of the display of the aggro marker, but you would get laughed into oblivion by doing so

[Jinko]

Ilvl preventing a fresh 85 from getting into heroics when they're under-geared is one of the best things to happen to WoW. You have no business queueing for a dungeon where you will be carried and aren't contributing.

This !!

It's funny how most of the people who are so opposed to WoW haven't even played it or played on an offical server.

Addons make playing a game better in almost every situation.

Gearscore proves you have done the work and an easy to display number to prove it. (whether that is through raiding or farming tokens to buy NPC gear it equates to the same thing)

DPS meters make you work harder to maximise your class to the best of its ability.

Threat meters provide detailed information when a tank isn't doing his best or a DPS or Healing class is not watching what he is doing.

People who complain about these type of addons are generally the ones that sit in the party not doing much, generally lazy or just don't care about party mechanics. (learn to play your class or go solo)

I can not wait for addons.

[Finuve]

This !!

It's funny how most of the people who are so opposed to WoW haven't even played it or played on an offical server.

Addons make playing a game better in almost every situation.

Gearscore proves you have done the work and an easy to display number to prove it. (whether that is through raiding or farming tokens to buy NPC gear it equates to the same thing)

DPS meters make you work harder to maximise your class to the best of its ability.

Threat meters provide detailed information when a tank isn't doing his best or a DPS or Healing class is not watching what he is doing.

People who complain about these type of addons are generally the ones that sit in the party not doing much, generally lazy or just don't care about party mechanics. (learn to play your class or go solo)

I can not wait for addons.

oh god, I hope FFXIV is never the way you want it to be

[Jinko]

oh god, I hope FFXIV is never the way you want it to be

I never said that's what I want, I just like/expect people to know how to play their class.

Addons will just make it clearly transparent if a tank isn't holding hate properly, a particular healer is over healing or a DPS is over DPSing.

Basically you are saying that you hope and don't mind if people don't know how to play their class ?

[Finuve]

I never said that's what I want, I just like/expect people to know how to play their class.

Addons will just make it clearly transparent if a tank isn't holding hate properly, a particular healer is over healing or a DPS is over DPSing.

Basically you are saying that you hope and don't mind if people don't know how to play their class ?

so without something on screen telling you exactly what everyones numbers you wouldn't have a clue?

well I'm not dumb so I do know when a tank is not holding hate right, or if its the DPS fault and not the tank

I want a game that requires skill, not spoonfeeds you every piece of information you could ever use

[Jinko]

so without something on screen telling you exactly what everyones numbers you wouldn't have a clue?

well I'm not dumb so I do know when a tank is not holding hate right, or if its the DPS fault and not the tank

I want a game that requires skill, not spoonfeeds you every piece of information you could ever use

God I hate that old spoonfed bullshit argument, since when was more information being spoonfed, I doubt you tackle real life with those same stupid ideals.

End of the day addons are coming get used to it !

Of course nobody is forcing you to use these addons, stay in the dark, stay ignorant, I doubt anyone will care enough besides to say "you don't have a DPS meter ? "goodbye" "

Finally we will get parser addons that will tell us exactly what stats are doing so we know which ones to bother with and which ones not to, because quite frankly numbers in the 400's means nothing to me.