The new concept screenshot is a real-time in-game render!

[Finuve]

This !!

It's funny how most of the people who are so opposed to WoW haven't even played it or played on an offical server.

Addons make playing a game better in almost every situation.

Gearscore proves you have done the work and an easy to display number to prove it. (whether that is through raiding or farming tokens to buy NPC gear it equates to the same thing)

DPS meters make you work harder to maximise your class to the best of its ability.

Threat meters provide detailed information when a tank isn't doing his best or a DPS or Healing class is not watching what he is doing.

People who complain about these type of addons are generally the ones that sit in the party not doing much, generally lazy or just don't care about party mechanics. (learn to play your class or go solo)

I can not wait for addons.

oh god, I hope FFXIV is never the way you want it to be

[Jinko]

oh god, I hope FFXIV is never the way you want it to be

I never said that's what I want, I just like/expect people to know how to play their class.

Addons will just make it clearly transparent if a tank isn't holding hate properly, a particular healer is over healing or a DPS is over DPSing.

Basically you are saying that you hope and don't mind if people don't know how to play their class ?

[Finuve]

I never said that's what I want, I just like/expect people to know how to play their class.

Addons will just make it clearly transparent if a tank isn't holding hate properly, a particular healer is over healing or a DPS is over DPSing.

Basically you are saying that you hope and don't mind if people don't know how to play their class ?

so without something on screen telling you exactly what everyones numbers you wouldn't have a clue?

well I'm not dumb so I do know when a tank is not holding hate right, or if its the DPS fault and not the tank

I want a game that requires skill, not spoonfeeds you every piece of information you could ever use

[Jinko]

so without something on screen telling you exactly what everyones numbers you wouldn't have a clue?

well I'm not dumb so I do know when a tank is not holding hate right, or if its the DPS fault and not the tank

I want a game that requires skill, not spoonfeeds you every piece of information you could ever use

God I hate that old spoonfed bullshit argument, since when was more information being spoonfed, I doubt you tackle real life with those same stupid ideals.

End of the day addons are coming get used to it !

Of course nobody is forcing you to use these addons, stay in the dark, stay ignorant, I doubt anyone will care enough besides to say "you don't have a DPS meter ? "goodbye" "

Finally we will get parser addons that will tell us exactly what stats are doing so we know which ones to bother with and which ones not to, because quite frankly numbers in the 400's means nothing to me.

[Finuve]

God I hate that old spoonfed bullshit argument, since when was more information being spoonfed, I doubt you tackle real life with those same stupid ideals.

End of the day addons are coming get used to it !

they said addons, they didnt specify how much they could do, and it is spoonfed, and this isn't real life, I don't go home to play video games to mimic real life

seeing an exact hate list is spoonfeeding information, seeing which mobs aggro and which dont is spoonfeeding information, seeing the exact hate effectiveness of an attack is spoonfeeding

it is figuring out how much is too much that the developers need to account for

there is skill in figuring out the effectiveness of strategies and smart use of abilities, hate list and the like take these away from the game

[Krausus]

they said addons, they didnt specify how much they could do, and it is spoonfed, and this isn't real life, I don't go home to play video games to mimic real life

seeing an exact hate list is spoonfeeding information, seeing which mobs aggro and which dont is spoonfeeding information, seeing the exact hate effectiveness of an attack is spoonfeeding

it is figuring out how much is too much that the developers need to account for

there is skill in figuring out the effectiveness of strategies and smart use of abilities, hate list and the like take these away from the game

I think it might be a tad to late to complain about hate meters and aggro icons -.-

[Finuve]

I think it might be a tad to late to complain about hate meters and aggro icons -.-

I do realize that they are already there and thats not going to change, I feel that the game already gives us more information than it should, I just don't want to see it taken too far, there is joy in discovery, and MMOs seem to lack that when they used to be the kings of it

[Tonkra]

I think it might be a tad to late to complain about hate meters and aggro icons -.-

ehm there is an hate-o-meter in the game yet if you switch it on in the options.


am i the only one who is really suspicious about the new engine?

New FFXIV
Old FFXIV
Old
Well i personally dont like the screenshot at all... these colorful colors, the textures seem to me very "cartoonie" and not that sharp, no texture bump mapping like now.

it looks like an "AION", "Rift", "WoW", "Insert typical MMOrpg from today here" with these powerful colors, the big sword... i hope that this wont come true.


what i like about the screen is the typical FInal Fantasy hand cursor when targeting a target.
and the boss mob seems to have three parts which can be attacked .

are they downgrading the graphic engine to cartoonie optic to make it possible to run it on the ps3? well lets see... i dont like the shot.

[Zenaku]

God I hate that old spoonfed bullshit argument, since when was more information being spoonfed, I doubt you tackle real life with those same stupid ideals.

End of the day addons are coming get used to it !

Of course nobody is forcing you to use these addons, stay in the dark, stay ignorant, I doubt anyone will care enough besides to say "you don't have a DPS meter ? "goodbye" "

Finally we will get parser addons that will tell us exactly what stats are doing so we know which ones to bother with and which ones not to, because quite frankly numbers in the 400's means nothing to me.

ignorant? I play wow without addon and tank without issue same with my gf as healer. Sorry but addon are for players who don't know how to play a class wait no "Who does not want to learn how to play there class" I find addon lazy at least the one that tell you how to play. I did not mind the other addon in wow it help out pretty good but there a few in wow that make you think like really? people don't know how to play?

@Krausus not really in wow most raid make you use stuff like healbot and many other stuff and if there addon like gear score -.- then it going to become oh you don't have 450score sorry can't invite you to our "Free company" which i away thought even in ffxi. Oh you can't join our linkshell if you don't have good gear it's like if i had good gear why in hell would i join a endgame i guess it for the few ppl who level up more then 1class.

But still that what happen in wow if you don't do good dps or have good gearscore you can't play with others. I hope if things like that happen SE would ban that type of addon.

[Jinko]

ignorant? I play wow without addon and tank without issue same with my gf as healer. Sorry but addon are for players who don't know how to play a class wait no "Who does not want to learn how to play there class" I find addon lazy at least the one that tell you how to play. I did not mind the other addon in wow it help out pretty good but there a few in wow that make you think like really? people don't know how to play?

Funny tell blizzard this, most of their raid encounters these days are tuned with the dev team using addons like heal bot (no not a real bot), recount and threat meters.

Healing 25 people with no healing addon and no unit frame addon is just stupid (and quite frankly impossible, please show me a video of your GF healing one of the hardmode raid encounters with no addons), these addons where made to make things less cumbersome and awkward the fight still remains just as hard.

Hell look at the FF14 screenshot we are all talking about, those red bars next to the Party list name, I bet you anything that is an updated threat meter.