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[Lavani]

ya that type of addon that give you info or make thing easy i don't want to be forced to use something just because they tell me too. It's not even about the addon that does something for you it just the overall idea of making you use them. Don't play with those people? i wish it was that easy when something become mainstream you have to use it or you never get a invite but w/e does not really matter i'm not going to use something because they tell me too lol.

As long as no one make a ilvl addon i'll be fine i don't want to see "650score+ do you have it? /tell Level 50 dungeon. If i don't see that i be 100% with addon i play my way they play there way i don't really care much about addon just that one i be piss about.

Yeah, i'd rather invite someone and take a quick look at their gear before i give them the boot. I also like to wipe a few times and figure out who's lacking in dps/healing output and then proceed to giving them the boot.

[Zenaku]

Yeah, i'd rather invite someone and take a quick look at their gear before i give them the boot. I also like to wipe a few times and figure out who's lacking in dps/healing output and then proceed to giving them the boot.

In ffxi people with ok gear did there jobs without issue most healers did there job with gimp gear. I for one never had the best gear for my sam and i did over 2.5k WS when i needed too. So sorry it not all about gear as long as you know what you doing and know when to do it gear means noting.

I dislike when someone wont invite a person due to there gear how would they get gear if your endgame linkshell wont invite them? Do everyone have to join a noob endgame linkshell just to get few items then join a real good one?

wiping have noting to do with gear i party with people and wipe you tell them what to do and how to do it and the party goes fine it's when people don't listen is when ppl suck. I can understand in wow but in ffxi or in ffxiv gear matter but not a lot.

Not saying gear means noting it does but sometime skill mean more then gear.

[Lavani]

In ffxi people with ok gear did there jobs without issue most healers did there job with gimp gear. I for one never had the best gear for my sam and i did over 2.5k WS when i needed too. So sorry it not all about gear as long as you know what you doing and know when to do it gear means noting.

I dislike when someone wont invite a person due to there gear how would they get gear if your endgame linkshell wont invite them? Do everyone have to join a noob endgame linkshell just to get few items then join a real good one?

wiping have noting to do with gear i party with people and wipe you tell them what to do and how to do it and the party goes fine it's when people don't listen is when ppl suck. I can understand in wow but in ffxi or in ffxiv gear matter but not a lot.

Not saying gear means noting it does but sometime skill mean more then gear.

Skill does mean more than gear, now imagine how much better that player can be with optimal gear? I for one don't like the gearscore addon because a lesser geared person can be a better overall player than a well geared person. But I do check people to make sure they have decent gear. Why? Because like you said although skill plays a major role in damage done, the better geared person (assuming equal skill level) will do more damage. Also better gear tends to have more armor/HP so they can survive any type of unavoidable AOE easier overall making the raid group better.

[EmeraldHill]

Why are people complaining about addons? I find it funny that people are complaining about how the community uses add-ons and saying it's the add-on's fault.

[Lavani]

Why are people complaining about addons? I find it funny that people are complaining about how the community uses add-ons and saying it's the add-on's fault.

What i find funny is this

[Zenaku]

Why are people complaining about addons? I find it funny that people are complaining about how the community uses add-ons and saying it's the add-on's fault.

It's both but w/e i wont be using addon if i don't want too and ilvl is one addon that would kill the community.

[Shipp]

It's both but w/e i wont be using addon if i don't want too and ilvl is one addon that would kill the community.

I don't think you understand how ilvl works. Each piece of gear in WoW is given a value which allows the devs to assign specific values of stats. Having ilvl of 333 means you outgear people of an ilvl of 300. It's the average of your equipment. Now, if a raid is designed around people having ilvl 359, then bringing people with ilvl 333 is CARRYING them through content.

The same thing was done in XI, though it wasn't called GS or ilvl. It was called, "You don't have all of the elemental staves as a BLM? Lolno you're not coming." Or, "BLM/SMN? GTFO the group."

People seem to think restrictions are limited to WoW, and that's certainly not the case. Would you bring a SMN/BLM to a healing party in XI when you're fighting an HNM? No. Why? Outside of a limited one healing BP per minute, that SMN isn't going to be able to heal at all, not is /blm useful for SMN at all outside of warp. That's the same reason people don't carry people in low ilvls through raids. For one, you can't even get into raids until a certain ilvl in Cata, and two, you're dead weight that can be replaced with someone who is actually keeping up.

[Zenaku]

I don't think you understand how ilvl works. Each piece of gear in WoW is given a value which allows the devs to assign specific values of stats. Having ilvl of 333 means you outgear people of an ilvl of 300. It's the average of your equipment. Now, if a raid is designed around people having ilvl 359, then bringing people with ilvl 333 is CARRYING them through content.

The same thing was done in XI, though it wasn't called GS or ilvl. It was called, "You don't have all of the elemental staves as a BLM? Lolno you're not coming." Or, "BLM/SMN? GTFO the group."

People seem to think restrictions are limited to WoW, and that's certainly not the case. Would you bring a SMN/BLM to a healing party in XI when you're fighting an HNM? No. Why? Outside of a limited one healing BP per minute, that SMN isn't going to be able to heal at all, not is /blm useful for SMN at all outside of warp. That's the same reason people don't carry people in low ilvls through raids. For one, you can't even get into raids until a certain ilvl in Cata, and two, you're dead weight that can be replaced with someone who is actually keeping up.

you needed the staffs that something else then you need to have a set score or GTFO it's a big diff. In ffxi a person who have good gear but not the best in the game was still allow to go to endgame. Now with ilvl if you don't have a set score let's say 500 you wont be allow in even if you have gear good enough to enter and do fine that the big issue.

[Shipp]

you needed the staffs that something else then you need to have a set score or GTFO it's a big diff. In ffxi a person who have good gear but not the best in the game was still allow to go to endgame. Now with ilvl if you don't have a set score let's say 500 you wont be allow in even if you have gear good enough to enter and do fine that the big issue.

You're making a comparison but you're really not comparing 2 similar situations.

In XI, you were allowed to go as long as you could support in some way because you were running with your linkshell. There were not PuGs doing sky/sea/Dynamis/HNMs. You were in a linkshell for those events and went with them. You might pick up a couple random people that were friends of people already in the group, but you didn't sit in Jeuno shouting for more.

In WoW guild runs, it is the same way. I haven't had the highest ilvl on one class, but since I'm performing the same role as I do on my main, they know that I know how to play and will take my alt over the better geared player who they barely know.

Random PuGs are a completely different type of group. People in PuGs don't know you. They don't know if you're great at your rotations. They don't know if you're a moron that stands in fire or not. They are more likely to pick a high ilvl person due to the fact that they are more likely to know how to move out of fire. They are more likely to put out higher DPS. They are more likely to know what they're doing. That doesn't mean that those higher ilvl players are worth their salt, it just means that the people are looking for the smoothest run possible, and if the same happened in XI, would you rather take a 75 BLM to sky that had all NQ items, no AF2, didn't use macros... or would you rather take the person who has numerous HQ items, took the time to farm sea obis, has AF2 and AF1, and uses macros? Assuming you knew neither of these people, you are going to pick the latter. Why? Because they have put forth the effort to gear their character and at least try to be the best they can be.

tl;dr: Don't compare WoW PuGs to linkshell runs in XI. Get a guild in WoW and make a comparison then.

[Xmbei]

1. I was never allowed to go on FFXI raids because I didn't have above basic 75 gear. So that point is invalid, their will always be elitest, with or without addons its a manner of players once they find a way they will implement it. Just like they do now "Oh you are a PUG without such and such cross-class ability?!?!?! GTFO! Level your other classes!"

2. Blizzard took the gear score thing on board and now it is displayed on gear last I checked. So no add-on required, heck I had read a early cata dev post saying in next patch we will be releasing so-and-so gear score items so you can take on the next dungeon. It isn't an add-on's fault, blizzard just made WoW gear specific on content as to artificate some of the difficulty and give the endgame players something to strive for.

tl;dr Don't blame add-on's for either game design or player community, if you don't like it, continue playing the game the way you want. Don't play with those people, because they ruin your game experience.