The Bottom Feeders: Moves You Never Use and Why (Ver. 2)

[Februs]

I posted a similar thread over on the Tank forums, and I was surprised to find it was bringing in responses from both Healers and Dps. So, I figured I might as well post a duplicate thread in the Healer corner and see what happens.

The idea for this forum is:

• 1. To post moves that you never, rarely, or just not as frequently use.
  
  
• 2. Why you don’t use them often
  
  
• 3. and what might be done (if anything) to improve their usage (this could be anything from SE implemented changes, to Hotbar suggestions, or situational usages that other people may not have thought of).

Some things to note in advance:

just because you don’t use a move frequently does not mean that it is inherently “bad.” Benediction is not used nearly as often as Cure/Cure II, but it is one of the best moves in a Whm’s skillset. It’s just not frequently used.

The idea here is not only to list the “bad” moves that require SE’s intervention to “fix” (though you might, if there are moves that really require it). Any moves that you do not use regularly are fair game. The idea here is to help one another. If someone lists a move they don’t use a lot, it could be because the move sucks, or it could be that they are just under using it. At this point, experienced players should step up and list ways in which they might get greater use out of that move. To that end, do not be afraid to ask questions about moves you might feel you are not using to the best of their utility. Someone is bound to have some insight for you, if there is any insight to be had.

Also, “HAR HAR. GIT GUD!” Is not a helpful response and makes you look like an ass. If you don’t have something useful to contribute, then don’t.

I don’t know how useful a thread like this will be over here on the Healer forums, but I got some interesting responses from some of you in the Tank version, so I’m curious to see what you guys come up with.

[VanilleFang]

Repose. I never use this. Some people suggest using it on your first visit to Toto-rak but in my opinion it just makes it more frustrating. SE could either give it an AoE, like specced Sleep, or give it some other effect. Putting one enemy to sleep is next to useless in most instances. You could be healing or dpsing instead.

[Februs]

Repose. I never use this. Some people suggest using it on your first visit to Toto-rak but in my opinion it just makes it more frustrating. SE could either give it an AoE, like specced Sleep, or give it some other effect. Putting one enemy to sleep is next to useless in most instances. You could be healing or dpsing instead.

I only recently started healing (just cleared 50 a few days ago), but I can totally related to this. I get almost no utility out of Repose.I had a few people request it in Brayflox (sleeping the lizard boss when the smaller lizard comes out), but other than that I've never used it. The fact that it's a single target cast is a big part of it, because it's main utility would be (in theory) for if things were getting out of hand and away from the tank. Ideally, you could sleep targets getting away from the Tank to stop them from leaving position or harrassing the party (mainly you), but the problem is that it's too slow for that. Blm's can sleep an enitre mob faster than a Whm can deal with it, so if any more than one target escapes the aggro of the Tank Repose is useless to help. You'd be better off just paper tanking them until the Tank smartens up.

Ps. Good to see you from over on the tank version of this thread lol.

[EmeraldAres]

I'll sometimes break out a repose if a mob is in my face or a ranged enemy is left unattended and is hurling spells or arrows at me. I didn't realize it at first, but it can be used on multiple enemies. It just can't hit them all in one cast like the black mage sleep with the trait, so you'll have to rotate through the targets you want to stop.

Granted, all of this goes out the window in later dungeons, where more mobs are immune to sleep effects than not. There's also the fact that you'll usually never need it in even an average low level party. To me it seems like a tool to help mitigate problems when a tank is learning, but it ultimately seems to be almost useless later in the game.

[Laurima]

It's useful in PVP, other than that I never use repose.

[VanilleFang]

I don't even have Repose on my cross bars. I can understand where it COULD be useful but I would just rather not bother. Mark it up as laziness if you want lol.

Also, I know when to useful (Titan, Midgardsormr) but Cure III is still one of the least useful WHM spells... I haven't gotten that far into Heavensward yet but I can it being more useless with the addition of Assize.

[VanilleFang]

Sorry, want to clarify (mobile can't edit). When I say useless I mean useless to me. I'm not saying Cure III is terribad or anything. Just that it's never really been a common spell.

[ruskie]

Just that it's never really been a common spell.

Thordan EX - Cure III OP - though datt aggro gen.

[Laurima]

Cure 3 is useful for the AOE attack in Ravana EX when everyone is stacked up, also useful for the crash landing after the Jumps on Alex Savage 1 again when everyone is stacked up.

[VanilleFang]

Cure 3 is useful for the AOE attack in Ravana EX when everyone is stacked up, also useful for the crash landing after the Jumps on Alex Savage 1 again when everyone is stacked up.

Ah. So it's basically used in the same situations. Glad to see that it still has some use.