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    tjw's Avatar
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    Kyan Ashton
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    PSA: Divine Seal and Synastry affect your HoT spells

    Too many times now I've run into healers in DF at lvl 60 who still think that Divine Seal and Synastry don't affect the potency of your Heals over Time spells. I'm starting to think there's some guide out there that explicitly states "YOUR HoTS WILL NOT HAVE INCREASED HEALS UNDER THESE BUFFS".

    Please, new healers, I know you're new, but learn to read your tooltips. And if I am trying to give helpful advice, don't yell at me to 'go play a healer if I wanted to be bossy'. If I'm advising you to use Divine Seal > Regen, or put your faerie on Obey, I'm not trying to bully or demean you. I'm only trying to help.

    P.S. I'm well aware that Asylum and Collective Unconscious are NOT affected by the buffs, but case in point; they are abilities, not SPELLS.
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    TatoRazzino's Avatar
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    Blair Waldorf
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    They probably misunderstood someone saying that Divine Seal and Synastry don't affect HoTs you have already used, just like Raging Strikes or Blood for Blood don't affect DoTs you've already used. A lot of people have absolutely no idea of what's going on while healing, sadly.
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    Saito Hikari
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    ...Divine Seal DOESN'T affect Asylum?

    *sobs in a corner*
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    Darkmoon Vael
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    I wish more people would experiment with moves when they first get them. I spend time at the fc house experimenting with what effects what when unlocking a new ability.

    But for Diurnal Astrologian and White Mage, Synastry>HoTs or Divine Seal>HoTs is one of the most basic way to heal in dungeons and raids, kind of makes you wonder how they havent figured that out by lvl 60. Mind you, i still see D.AST and WHM in DF just flat out not use any kind of HoT.
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    Roxas Andrade
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    Famfrit
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjw View Post
    And if I am trying to give helpful advice, don't yell at me to 'go play a healer if I wanted to be bossy'. If I'm advising you to use Divine Seal > Regen, or put your faerie on Obey, I'm not trying to bully or demean you. I'm only trying to help.
    Can you believe that some tank was telling me to let Eos on sic some weeks ago?
    I explained that I need to control her CDs for optimal use, but he kept insisting to leave her on sic. I don't have a problem letting Selene on sic for dungeons, she manages her CDs better than I do, but Eos? Would I ever...
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    Want a heal? How much money you got?

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    Ebi Frye
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaitoHikari View Post
    ...Divine Seal DOESN'T affect Asylum?

    *sobs in a corner*
    Abilities aren't affected by healing buffs and debuffs (which is handy in a few fights), only Spells are. Check your tooltips if unsure, they specify whether an action is considered a Spell or an Ability.
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    Last edited by Kerrigen; 01-20-2016 at 12:33 PM.

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    Thea Sitori
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    Yep, HoT spells are snapshotted with the buff just like DoTs. Not sure why it's difficult for some out there to realize that. Same with tank popping Convalescence, it would only affect newly applied heals/shields/regens on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roxas_Andrade View Post
    Can you believe that some tank was telling me to let Eos on sic some weeks ago?
    I explained that I need to control her CDs for optimal use, but he kept insisting to leave her on sic. I don't have a problem letting Selene on sic for dungeons, she manages her CDs better than I do, but Eos? Would I ever...
    Maybe they wanted that Auto-Whispering Dawn every minute, lol. Thankfully they are not a SCH main because otherwise they would know it is required to be on obey to force manual embrace spam.
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    Holy Emmerololth
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    Mateus
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    I have never, not once, seen a WHM use Divine Seal outside of a static.

    I use it all the time in dungeons, so this completely baffles me when I play BLM. It's an amazing skill.

    The PSA should be more: USE DIVINE SEAL WHEN IT'S UP, DON'T LET IT WASTE AWAY.
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    Illuseon Madolche
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    Lamia
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    Dark Knight Lv 87
    My Friends and I tested all the Ast and WHM skills with them.

    Synastry and Divine Seal affects the Healing Spells So...
    OGD and HoTs that you already used are not affected by Divine Seal and Synastry.
    GD and HoTs applied to the target during Divine seal and Synastry are affected by them.
    thats why all new healing skills from WHM are not affected and essencial dignity either.

    (all off globals are considered Abilities and all Globals are considered Spells)

    (Edited) we didn't test convalecence but I think it works with all the Spells and Abilities with the same rule as the HoTs and GCDs since it affects the amount healed not the healing spell used.
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    Last edited by Umbreon_skystorm; 01-20-2016 at 08:54 PM. Reason: just to support my answer
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    Kabz Il
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    Spriggan
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    On the topic of HoTs, can we add "Do not use an AoE HoT before a pull" to the list? ;D I still see so many people doing this and just wonder what thought process they went through to come up with that decision.

    And slight side note on that too, if you are lucky enough to get one of those healers, remember to just right click the regen icon off if you're on PC.
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