Another perfectly reasonable AST idea

[Rawrz]

I agree with the points that moon/Lyrica/kabzy have made about SCH. Playing to the best of your ability, taking every opportunity to heal the most effectively while keeping your dps contribution as high as you can, can lead to massive mana issues, especially using succor back to back with emergency tactics (I usually let the other healer pick up that other half of the mana splurge or Indom.)

One thing for AST i would like to see is the ability to switch sects mid fight. The only balance issue would be the insane regens on top of instant cast shield. A fix would be to have your own aspected spells override your previous ones.

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Another thing that could be done specifically to nocturnal is to increase the duration of all buffs by another multiplier, only while casting abilities like time dilation or celestial opposition. (Therefore cards and Wheel of Fortune act the same without the above skills)

Ex diurnal sect: cast bole for 30 seconds then celestial opposition it to 35
In nocturnal sect:cast bole for 30 seconds then celestial opposition it to 40.

This would shift the pressure of asts needing to be a dps clone of sch to a more true "support" in their nocturnal stance, thus increasing dps or damaging mitigation.

Just a thought. Everyone understands that time dilation and celestial opposition have poor synergy with nocts aspected spells.

[DarkmoonVael]

I agree with the points that moon/Lyrica/kabzy have made about SCH. Playing to the best of your ability, taking every opportunity to heal the most effectively while keeping your dps contribution as high as you can, can lead to massive mana issues, especially using succor back to back with emergency tactics (I usually let the other healer pick up that other half of the mana splurge or Indom.)

One thing for AST i would like to see is the ability to switch sects mid fight. The only balance issue would be the insane regens on top of instant cast shield. A fix would be to have your own aspected spells override your previous ones.

>>>>>>OR<<<<<<<

Another thing that could be done specifically to nocturnal is to increase the duration of all buffs by another multiplier, only while casting abilities like time dilation or celestial opposition. (Therefore cards and Wheel of Fortune act the same with the above skills)

Ex diurnal sect: cast bole for 30 seconds then celestial opposition it to 35
In nocturnal sect:cast bole for 30 seconds then celestial opposition it to 40.

This would shift the pressure of asts needing to be a dps clone of sch to a more true "support" in their nocturnal stance, thus increasing dps or damaging mitigation.

Just a thought. Everyone understands that time dilation and celestial opposition have poor synergy with nocts aspected spells.

These kind of suggestions are the type of ones i tend to agree more with when it comes to Noct.AST. It should have a few more modal effects being in Nocturnal Sect that really emphasises the support aspect of N.AST. What it really needs to do is emphasise AST uniquness, make it all pretty .

[TatoRazzino]

These kind of suggestions are the type of ones i tend to agree more with when it comes to Noct.AST. It should have a few more modal effects being in Nocturnal Sect that really emphasises the support aspect of N.AST. What it really needs to do is emphasise AST uniquness, make it all pretty .

As I mentioned before, one thing that I would like to see is the Sect change thing. It doesn't make any sense to me not being able to switch stances.
Noct's buff could be the same as Diurnal's (just like ROG/NIN's venoms), or it could be changed to something useful like extra natural MP refresh, to make stance dancing a nice thing.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

You do realize that aetherflow stacks aren't THAT precious, right? You even have two ways to gaining them now. Shadow Flare does take priority, of course, but prevention is better than curing at all times.

Not being "Precious" does not justify wasting them on pointless acts. I'm sorry if I hit a sore spot here and questioning "your style", but using soil on anything that will not cause a wipe or anywhere close to it is a waste:

Basic rule of thumb on SCH: lustrate and imdom are for more valuable to spend stacks on than sacred soil. In fact sacred soil is usually the last thing a SCH spends stacks on. If its a non lethal attack, the soil is wasted. Lustrate and indom let you dps more, as you can drop clerics and use stacks on instant heals. Energy drain manages your mana and deals more dps. Sacred soil hasnt been worthwhile (except a few niche uses in raids like t11 crit nerve cloud, t13 terraflare) since 2.0 when lustrate healed a lower % of hp and people were still figuring stuff out.

For example: Indomitability heals for 3300 on each target - With my gear anyways. That means soil has to mitigate enough damage that's worth 33000 unmitigated within the active time of Sacred Soil. When this amount of damage cannot be reached, it's a sub-optimal or even poor choice to waste an Aetherflow stack on Sacred Soil. For single target application it's an even worse choice, considering Lustrate packs more potency than Indomitability.

"Prevention better than curing"? Only in scenario's that can actually lead to deaths. For everything else, sacred soil's a waste of stack.

As for the "two ways to gain them", I'll let someone else roast you on that.

[Yhisa]

Hmmm... Tbh i would trade nocturnal sect to be a dps stance with enhance properties for being in that stance for dps.... And turn Diurnal into a WHM and SCH stance like do somethink crazy with it like

Aspect benefic
Heals the target, regen effect 18sec regen stacking shield

So i will use simple math what i trying to say ... For example ur regen is ticking over time and last 18seconds with each tick it also place a shield on the target say for 50%- 70% of the regen tick?

Regen 1200 tick 18sec
Shield 620 per tick stacks 3times = 1860 shield if not been hit

This is just as idea just to show how it would work would need adjusting to not make it too strong but i would like it like thia tbh but this is my own person veiwpoint

[Yhisa]

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Also with the regen/shield combo HoT this would be allowed to stack with galvanize and with other ASTs

WHM = burst healing/ burst dps / emergancy heals
SCH = mitigation/ consitant dps / fairy support
AST = support / damage support / heal & reduce damage over time

[Vlady]

Reduce damage over time would have to be kept up like debuffs to slash or pierce resistance like the dps abilities provide or it seems like the range for maximizing the reduction would be wasted. But supervirus and disable already accomplishes that role so probably not going to be something SE would use.

[Yhisa]

Reduce damage over time would have to be kept up like debuffs to slash or pierce resistance like the dps abilities provide or it seems like the range for maximizing the reduction would be wasted. But supervirus and disable already accomplishes that role so probably not going to be something SE would use.

U read my post wrong the reduce damage over time is from the new idea i came up with aspect benefic etc

We basically supplying hots which each hot tick gives a shield which prevents damage taken which reduce the need to to heal more it will help both WHM and SCH and even play with AST/AST this is my idea to allow us to be paired with any healer

[Vlady]

Did not realize interpreting words was meant to be taken in an introspective view point. Nocturnal stance would most likely gain a better ground to compete with scholar when it provides the dps the scholar brings along with its shielding. I am all for nocturnal being a slightly weaker version of cleric stance with mana reduction costs to dps spells and no potency penalty to heals along with a bump in damage. Being able to provide damage and healing without stance dancing might help us as well in the nocturnal side of things. But as I said in order to get any more toys we will have to lose our ability to be stronger healers then white mages.

[Yhisa]

snips.

What?... Ur totally disregarding that SCH and WHM have a lot more OH SHIT buttons then AST... Once we use essential dignity... Its game over man, game over

Celestrial oppotition
for a stun + 5sec buff time.,..... Yay (holy is better wtf)

Lightspeed
never use it apart from aoe healing and if u are using this on single target healing please quit ast because this skill does not remove GCD of skills also spell speed allow u to get 1 additional cast of (tested it)

Essential dignity
give tanks heart attack and waste cooldowns due to they need to be below 25% to get 750 potency heal

Synastry
Gains healing bonus yay....can heal 2 targets yay... What u do not do is use time dialation on this skill.... Use celestrial if u want it to last 5 sec longer

Collective concious
I hate and love this.. 4k hot combo awsome... Frozen in place...ughhh

Time dialation
Extend buffs /hots ... Yay ... For diurnal only.. WHAT??