Why vertical progression is poorly implemented

[Zumi]

And here we come to the crux of the problem. Why is content so quickly made obsolete? Why is the climb not as enjoyable as the endgame? As someone already pointed out, many of the equipment pieces in FFXI were still valid and valuable at high levels, because of the stats. There were unique and interesting stats across the board, and enemies of all levels to battle or hunt which could drop something of use.

It was more due to the fact the power of an item in FFXI was not linked to a level of an item it could have over powered stats. For example Peacock Charm a neck piece which gave 10 accuracy and 10 ranged accuracy and it was a lv33 item. Now then on your way to lvl cap there were no better neck items that could give more accuracy so people kept using it. Was having 10 accuracy all that interesting? no not really its just FFXI had no rules that linked the power of an item to its level so you would get odd low level items that had a high level of power that couldn't be beat even by level cap gear.

[Iagainsti]

It was more due to the fact the power of an item in FFXI was not linked to a level of an item it could have over powered stats. For example Peacock Charm a neck piece which gave 10 accuracy and 10 ranged accuracy and it was a lv33 item. FFXI had no rules that linked the power of an item to its level so you would get odd low level items that had a high level of power that couldn't be beat even by level cap gear.

Amazing for THF/NIN/RNG Weapon skills until lvl 75, when the Aurora Boots beat them out with +5 stats.

[Hayward]

Amazing for THF/NIN/RNG Weapon skills until lvl 75, when the Aurora Boots beat them out with +5 stats.

I'll thank Yoshi & Co. that I never need to keep equipment that long based on minimal stats for 2 or 3 abilities.

[CyrilLucifer]

I'll thank Yoshi & Co. that I never need to keep equipment that long based on minimal stats for 2 or 3 abilities.

I think we can agree to disagree with that. I highly prefer having an item I can use for a very long time than one I toss in a few months because its outdated and only keep it for glamour. The process of earning gear and then making it irrelevant soon after is not particularly rewarding for me.

[Cynric]

I think we can agree to disagree with that. I highly prefer having an item I can use for a very long time than one I toss in a few months because its outdated and only keep it for glamour. The process of earning gear and then making it irrelevant soon after is not particularly rewarding for me.

If something is that overpowered that it can last for years then what is the point in developing new gear at all?

You either make later gear irrelevant , or make current gear irrelevant.

If something increased Cure by 10% or increased Halone enmity by some extent. But it wasn't as good as Mind or Strength do you think anyone would use it? If something increased the damage of a skill vastly over the value of a main stat like Strength , then what would be the point in Strength?

FFXIV isn't designed for what you guys are suggesting.

I'll agree that the way progression currently works isn't the best. But neither is horizontal progression. Nothing is perfect and exchanging one way for the other wouldn't solve anything.

[Zumi]

Amazing for THF/NIN/RNG Weapon skills until lvl 75, when the Aurora Boots beat them out with +5 stats.

Back in the day they did offer you an upgrade for WS gear for thf and other dd jobs in Sky.



Gear from Rhapsodies zone, the game has come so far since then. When you get level 99 you should have way better gear then level 7 boots. SE did do this eventually. Most of the end game gear now has so many stats on it, that it becomes overly complex, do people want stats like this from the current FFXI expansion in FFXIV?

[Kallera]

Back in the day they did offer you an upgrade for WS gear for thf and other dd jobs in Sky.



Gear from Rhapsodies zone, the game has come so far since then. When you get level 99 you should have way better gear then level 7 boots. SE did do this eventually. Most of the end game gear now has so many stats on it, that it becomes overly complex, do people want stats like this from the current FFXI expansion in FFXIV?

Yes. I. do.

Why? Becaude It can open up far more possibilities than the overly simplistic fare that we currently have. I will take take that, over having everything designed around a treadmill that is wearing out its welcome.

You do in fact, answer your own question. "The game has come so far since then" but FFXIV feels like it isn't going anywhere. The gear, even compared to 1.0, feels more restrictive in both if they can equip for looks and what a player can do with it as a functional piece.

[Zumi]

Yes. I. do.

It's just the kitchen skin approach though. They put on almost every stat possible because they have so many jobs in the game they put weird stuff on it like magic attack for blu mages and ninja spells.

[Andrea]

It's just the kitchen skin approach though. They put on almost every stat possible because they have so many jobs in the game they put weird stuff on it like magic attack for blu mages and ninja spells.

Its better than what we currently have here.

Get the accuracy cap you need then ignore accuracy.
Get the amount of Skill speed you need then ignore Skill speed.
The only real secondary stats that you dont ignore after a while is crit and det.
Then theres also parry which unless they changed it since last time I looked at it was garbage.

The secondary stat system atm is almost nonexistent.

[CyrilLucifer]

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Yes, I love the way gear works in modern XI far more than I did at 75. It allows for far more varied builds than 75 did.

For example, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, anything/SCH can actually nuke now for decent damage. My SCH actually power cures for more than a WHM due to weather effects and weather-enhancing gear (though WHM has stronger AOE) in its cure set, and I love it. Plus, Regen bonuses.

I don't really see those stats as too complex, you just need to have some minor experience with the XI meta to understand them. Haste increases attack speed, PDT is self explanatory, Subtle Blow reduces enemy TP gain from your attacks so they use skills less often. Triple attack gives you a chance of triple attacking.

I'm not sure how that's too complex? In fact, I'd say they're more self-explanatory than XIV's. How does Skill Speed effect my BRD, again?

Also, mages are a better example for specialized gear. You're not going to be using the same nuking gear on BLM and SCH because they have different skill caps and magic accuracy; they need different gear to compensate for these differences. And SMN needs something different all together, gear that provides bonuses for their pets and things like BP reduction. This is more what I'd like from XIV - gear that compliments the class's abilities, rather than the generic crap we get. It doesn't need to be overly complex.

PS: For anyone who doesn't know how the iLevel system works in XI, the physical cap is 99, so in order to raise the cap to 119, you use equipment to raise your level to compensate. Hence you have the physical stat bonuses being really high on them. It's a bit silly, but the argument is more about the special traits, rather than the stat vomit.