Thread: Less enjoyment in 3.0 raidingas healer (compared to 2.0)

Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

My problem is with the mindset. Most groups are acting as if having healers in the party is a liability, not an asset. The strain in DPS, people blaming healers for not meeting DPS checks and so on. The fights themselves are not the actual problem, but the way the community reacted to the fights and to the strategy the pro-groups use. All my healer friends feel like groups believe they're dragging DPS numbers down by not being able to solo heal, and that the party only brings two healers because us scrubs can't handle soloing the whole fight. My tank friends also feel that way, as if they weren't an asset.

It amazes me how much people can have such different experiences playing this game. In my static, we have never blamed healers for lack of dps. They do a pretty good job working together, and occasionally we might ask if there is anything we can do to help them do more dps, but we've never blamed them for anything dps related. We use 2 healers unless our WHM is confident he can solo heal, then we let him try because it's fun. WEe give him a few tries to get the hang of it and if it goes well we keep at it, and if not we put the other healer back in. No biggy either way. I join A1/A2 and Thordan parties on my healers all of the time, I'm a SMN main so that's the only way I get to heal which I really enjoy in this game. Parties always have 2 healer slots listed, not 1. Additionally, I have never heard anyone blame me or the other healer for low dps...ever. I can't figure out if I am the one playing in the twilight zone, or other posters. But it's baffling how I could literally have never witnessed something even while joining lots of pf groups, while other people define what I've never seen as common to the player base. I truly don't understand.

With respect to less fun in 3.0 raiding in general, I don't think that's specific to healing. Everyone seems to feels that way - the encounters are less entertaining (With A2 and A4 being the no fun standouts) with a boring story to boot.

Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

Yup, it's not everyone who experiences this kind of thing. I got blamed for that shit, but I'm the raid leader in my current group and I banished parsers. The mindset is: worry about DPS when mechanics have been learned to perfection. I also don't let my co-healer DPS until it's needed. So I'm enforcing the 2.X mindset that everyone should worry about mechanics and about their job before they start this whole BUT DA DEEPS!!1!!1!1 thing.

Dude, I love you for this. I've encountered MANY people who worried about DPS damage, but the group is screwing up badly in mechanics. I mean, sure, you were top DPS on Faust, but jeez, why can't you NOT put Resin under the laser?

The only interesting mechanic directly related to healer roles Alex Savage has done is effectively forcing healers to heal with double damage down in A3s.

I feel like Alexander Savage has been really annoying as a healer because of the harsh DPS checks and relatively low damage on tanks combined with new DPS rotations (and stuff like Wanderer's Minuet) making it so we're already down to "healers do all mechanics because that's the smallest DPS loss". A4s is a prime example of that.

Originally Posted by Kerrigen

The only interesting mechanic directly related to healer roles Alex Savage has done is effectively forcing healers to heal with double damage down in A3s.

I feel like Alexander Savage has been really annoying as a healer because of the harsh DPS checks and relatively low damage on tanks combined with new DPS rotations (and stuff like Wanderer's Minuet) making it so we're already down to "healers do all mechanics because that's the smallest DPS loss". A4s is a prime example of that.

Yeah A3S Double Damage Down is quite an interesting mechanic. More like "This will ensure we make DPS do their job". I kind of wish the STDs started out that way but of course the other healer ends up being needed for the harsh equal concentration dps check when 210 wasn't generally available aside from how many weeks you cleared the earlier floors.

On the other hand I always liked the raid meta where the main healer is effectively solo healing as much as they can, because the pressure of the WHM/AST job always turned me on. Yet we would still put some damage points on the board too when possible. It's just like where you don't need two main tanks at all-times either, the off-tank picks up adds in phases, tank swap areas that would kill the other tank if not done in-time, and do as much damage when not tanking. The same capability is with the off-healer in a sense. Band-aid situations, shield mechanics, second tank getting damage, etc. Mechanics that require healer swaps, or that effectively diminish DPS capability from both healers I think are great.

But you can argue the tanking side of things, there isn't enough punishing damage where you need tank stance 100% of the time either when main tanking, and the highly-tuned DPS checks pushed the meta towards optimizing minimal DPS loss as possible. Obviously tank damage is changing somehow in 3.2, so we are likely to see some shift on this.

I started this game in the beta phases on PS3 as CNJ. By October, I became a BRD. I went back to WHM for Raiding, which was ok. However, back then, there was little talk about me needing to do some extra damage. I ended up going back to BRD because I couldn't dps well as WHM. I dropped BRD for ROG when ROG released. I meddle with WHM every now and then, but she's only for simple stuff like dungeons or Primals.

I MAY use her in Coil, but not for any Alexander content as I lack the secondary skills (being a dps) that players require of WHM, so I just go as NIN.