Thread: WAR 4.0

That's not a weakness of the job though, it's a player being bad. That's like saying blood for blood is a weakness because the player can't survive a ground aoe with it up. The skill is a strength, using it badly isn't a weakness just stupidity.

he was joking but yep it's not a weakness at all,
if we are joking, i should ask a healer stance for the war at 4.0 XD.

Ok, so from everything that I've read: would lowering the self-healing potency for war, and allowing the other tanking classes to contribute equally to the party DPS be sufficient in dealing with some or all of what is seen as being "broken"?

Also, why does everyone want the crossbars/hotbars to be even more cluttered than they are by adding more and more skills? Just how is that supposed to help instead of just being more of a distraction to players? Seriously, everything is a total mess enough as it is. The only new abilities they really need to give are passives, simple additions to certain skills, and maybe a new limit break for each class for levels 61-70.

Originally Posted by Yosho

Wishful thinking would like to see the return of mighty strikes from 1.0.

I hardly played 1.0 past the opening CS, but if it's like Mighty Strikes from FFXI( every hit is critical for x seconds) We kind of already have that by comboing Deliverance 5 stacks+Internal Release. Not that I wouldn't enjoy a guaranteed crit window, hence my like xD

Originally Posted by Iagainsti

I hardly played 1.0 past the opening CS, but if it's like Mighty Strikes from FFXI( every hit is critical for x seconds) We kind of already have that by comboing Deliverance 5 stacks+Internal Release. Not that I wouldn't enjoy a guaranteed crit window, hence my like xD

I didn't play 1.0 either, but while we're on the new trend of mirrored skills for defiance and deliverance, just make raw intuition give 100% parry in defiance and 100% Crit in deliverance.

heheheehehhee

Originally Posted by Izsha

I didn't play 1.0 either, but while we're on the new trend of mirrored skills for defiance and deliverance, just make raw intuition give 100% parry in defiance and 100% Crit in deliverance.

heheheehehhee

Love it, popping RI for a wrath stack AND 100% Crit xD #WARRIORSMASH

Give war a dps lb while in deliverance called "Super Fell Cleave" that just kills everything. Not just the boss...but everything.

Originally Posted by MPNZ

Ok, so from everything that I've read: would lowering the self-healing potency for war, and allowing the other tanking classes to contribute equally to the party DPS be sufficient in dealing with some or all of what is seen as being "broken"?

"Broken" is harsh. "Unbalanced" is more appropriate. Every other group of jobs in a given role in this game tends to follow a consistent trend. As utility rises, dps drops, and vice versa. For example; NIN - high utility, lower dps DRG - mid utility, mid dps MNK - high dps lower utility, and so on.

With tanks WAR has highest DPS, highest utility, and interestingly seems to survive in the absence of external healing longer than the other tanks, thanks to Equilibrium being on a 60s CD, Bloodbath lasting 30s in conjunction with Berserk, and being able to cross class SW, making it a fundamentally better tank even without its personal DPS or utility. It doesn't have any meaningful weaknesses that facilitate raid/party synergy. It doesn't have anything that needs to be covered for it. Its an island unto itself.

And if you just "bring all the other tanks up to WARs level" (an often parroted response that I don't think anyone has actually thought out to a reasonable or realistic conclusion, they just say it because they don't want any WAR nerfs no matter how slight they are, such as a minor recast time increase on a cooldown), then you just shift the imbalance from being between WAR and the other tanks to being between all tanks and the other jobs, which all have readily definable strengths and weaknesses and are well-designed in the context of being part of a greater whole (a party or raid group) whereas WAR is "well-designed" in the context of being a 1-man army that insists not upon being part of a whole, but being THE whole.