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    Player
    Rawrz's Avatar
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    Sir Rawrz
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Tank pulls one group of mobs and continues to run to the second group. I bio II, miasma, bio..... bane! By the time the tank hits the third group I have all the aggro. >:[ you going to tell me to not be that kind of healer? ;c
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 01-17-2016 at 11:41 AM.

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    New tank is not confortable with this, it can be annoying in DF, if all the players expect experienced players only.
    i Suggest to any tank, to use Aoe to pull the pack of 3 enemies, only shield lob any single target enemy. if the dps got the Hate, continue your pull when you have finish just go where your dps stand and multi flash/overpower/unleash till you have get enough aggro on everything. anyway if the dps is smart enough he will use sprint and stack near you, so you can do your favorite aggro aoe.

    What happen in df..., many players are rushing content.
    It's annoying for someone new in any Job.
    When players is not doing drama, and blaming others when a wipe occur even when there news players.
    It can be true to say also, some players have no respect for pick ups but still doing content in DF... we can't generalize but we have all encounter some players like that...
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    Last edited by kensatsu; 01-17-2016 at 12:12 PM.

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    Sunju Pridepaw
    World
    Spriggan
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 90
    So true! I mean I am not new, I run a lot of dungeons already, but I also get annoyed by Elitists that just run forward and expect everyone to know the fight, when I see the new to dungeon etc message I want to find out if they are new, if they are to explain to them mechanics.

    I get it you done the content so often I get it you do not want to spend long time in old dungeons, but seriously. Either DEAL with it or do NOT sign up for duty roulette.

    Cause new people feel uncomfortable when they don't have time to even read explanation. This causes only more trouble for the party as a whole. "There videos and guides" ye well guess what, to remember ALL that info before a dungeon, you mix it up or forget stuff, so PLEASE allow people to be explained boss by boss by those that DO have that patience!
    Thankfully I meet a lot of people, in either role, that are not bothered by having to wait a bit. As for me I actually like helping new players feel comfortable.
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    Stouter Taru
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    Exodus
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    Thaumaturge Lv 100
    Direct quote from a DF run a while back after PLD was blamed for a wipe on a trash pull:
    PLD: maybe dps shouldn't attack
    PLD: dps 101
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    Critical-Limit's Avatar
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    Xizzy Azenith
    World
    Zalera
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 80
    If I can save grease lightning I will.
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    karateorangutang's Avatar
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    Character
    Celest Ru'milan
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    IF it happens then I just pull hate back. If someone is impatient enough then they can take a few licks while i finish my opener. It's what they have chosen to do. Hate is a party responsibility, not solely the tanks.
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    Otonashi Harui
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by karateorangutang View Post
    IF it happens then I just pull hate back. If someone is impatient enough then they can take a few licks while i finish my opener. It's what they have chosen to do. Hate is a party responsibility, not solely the tanks.
    This! People get so up tight about doing their jobs that it seems as though they forget they're running in an actual party. Pop those enmity cooldowns and help the tank and the rest of the party out. Just today, I had to pop a few enmity cooldowns 'cause I kept ripping the aggro off of the tank 'cause that could cause a wipe if the healer has to then focus on healing the tank, me, and trying to keep aggro off of themselves as well but even then, the healer has enmity cooldowns as well...as everyone else. Please don't act like the tank is the only one responsible for aggro maintenance; you're in a party so working together in every aspect is recommended.
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    "With each passing day, the world finds new and exciting ways to kill a man."
    ―Balthier

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    nitaZ28's Avatar
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    Nyleve Nael
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    Diabolos
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    Arcanist Lv 48
    Quote Originally Posted by Enkonda View Post
    ...Please don't act like the tank is the only one responsible for aggro maintenance; you're in a party so working together in every aspect is recommended.
    But this isn't the way "that" DPS (which let's be honest, is 99% of the DPS players because they are lazy and irresponsible. That's why they don't play a tank or healer, but that's another discussion) thinks.

    "It's the tank's job to keep aggro, no matter how stupid, lazy, or irresponsibly I play."

    Along with

    "It's the healer's job to heal me, no matter how stupid, lazy, or irresponsibly I play."

    This encompasses the entire litany of DPS issues, and why most tanks/healers don't like em and only tolerate them to get the dungeon done faster.
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    E'dok Edok
    World
    Masamune
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by nitaZ28 View Post
    But this isn't the way "that" DPS (which let's be honest, is 99% of the DPS players because they are lazy and irresponsible. That's why they don't play a tank or healer, but that's another discussion) thinks.

    "It's the tank's job to keep aggro, no matter how stupid, lazy, or irresponsibly I play."

    Along with

    "It's the healer's job to heal me, no matter how stupid, lazy, or irresponsibly I play."

    This encompasses the entire litany of DPS issues, and why most tanks/healers don't like em and only tolerate them to get the dungeon done faster.
    and the award for the most incorrect, sweeping generalisation goes to....
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    Almalexia Indoril
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    Hyperion
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    Pugilist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by nitaZ28 View Post
    But this isn't the way "that" DPS (which let's be honest, is 99% of the DPS players because they are lazy and irresponsible. That's why they don't play a tank or healer, but that's another discussion) thinks.

    "It's the tank's job to keep aggro, no matter how stupid, lazy, or irresponsibly I play."
    The multipliers on enmity skills are very generous. The burden of enmity is on nobody but the tank - you've seen the vast gulf of enmity between tanks and the rest of the party when enmity skills are used effectively. DPS and healers don't stand a chance unless the tank is undergeared, missing the targets or not using enmity skills/stance.

    It's easy to keep hate, but it's even easier to go on a forum and blame everybody else for your enmity issues.
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