Using Limit Break (lb) on pulls

[ForumMog]

Greeting, earlier I was in everyone's "favourite" dungeon; the Aurum Vale (AV). Our party composition is Lv60 Ninja, WHM, Machinists (myself) and a Lv60 warrior (in full sky pirate fending glamour) who announces he is tanking AV first time.

1st boss: Mid fight Lv 60 Ninja had more than one minute to decide whether to use lb; nope.

2nd boss: Badass cyclop fight started with full lb carried over from 1st boss; no lb executed from Lv60 Ninja for reasons unknown. (i am guessing he tunnel vision because 360 club swing hurts? No lb is fine, staying alive counts more in the long run.)

First pull after 2nd boss: Sky pirate Warrior Lv60 pulled multiple mobs and getting hit left right by 6-7 hostiles. I thought to myself: lb is sitting there earning 0% interest return because i dared to hope the Ninja will bother sneezing at the lb button. Let's do it then! Machinist lb on 6 or more trash gotta be worth more than using it on a solo boss right? (Forum mathematicians please help educate/verify/correct on this statement's validity)

Wham! Mch lb shaved away 6+ hostiles' hp by roughly 35% each with a push of the button and proper aoe lb positioning. Hooray! The lb bar can finally start charging up and we can actually use more than one lb in this run!

With 65% more hp to go on the same mobs. Lv60 War used the dreaded "..." reply followed by an unflattering term to describe your worst enemy. He began interrogating me with the judgmental eye of a witch hunter on how i wasted a lb. (Funny he never commented on how ninja never bothered with lb for the past 2 bosses; favouritism much? Or was it because my Menacing Moggle Mog Gun glamour just happen to capture his unwanted attention?)

He could not accept that i uses lb during big pulls and proceeded to make a mountain out of a molehill over my use of lb. I got vote kicked out when we reached the last boss entrance and i did not get my leveling roulette bonus.

Question to community:

Is using lb on trash pulls no longer popular (or "correct")? I remembered the 2.0 Zeta grind and lb on mass pull is all the rage. Is it no longer so? Every now and then, someone will question my use of aoe lb on mobs; even after the fact that 1) melee dps don't use it on boss or 2) we only have ranged dps so only aoe lb.

Why are lb being left unused like some precious commodity and if used outside of boss fight you are cast in a poor light by certain individuals?

[Kabooa]

Two camps, each with their merits.

Yes, use it, because for the most part bosses are easy and it's better to just burn down the aoe packs.

No, use it only for bosses, and using it right before the last boss just means you won't get a rank 2 limit break to make the boss an insta kill from 15%.

[ForumMog]

Hi, Kabooa. Thank you for your reply.

Using lb right before last boss and losing out on the flashy rank 2 lb is definitely a no go in my books and i wholeheartedly agree with your statement.

If used at the first big pull after a boss fight and depending on one's party capability, the lb bar can be nearly or fully charged before the next boss fight. It is my personal opinion that using lb at the earliest opportunity and have the lb bar begin recharging as soon as possible can net the party additional lb use during the course of a dungeon run.

I really do like your response about the two camps and it is a reality that not everyone can share the same opinion. Some players should at least have the civility to address people with dignity when voicing their disagreement because nobody likes a bitter dungeon run.

[Judah_Brandt]

Could've done without the entire narrative, as you clearly felt the need to precede your actions with backstory as they are perceived to be incorrect by the majority of the player base. The only reason you'd need an excuse is if you thought you did something wrong. Though, I suppose calling it an excuse as opposed to reasoning would be more appropriate, in this instance it isn't. Ultimately think of it like this: did you save more time using the Limit Break as a ranged DPS on a bunch of trash mobs, or would you have saved more time on the last boss using a melee LB2. Correct answer is probably the latter. But it's Aurum Vale, so who cares.

[Kaurie]

Could've done without the entire narrative, as you clearly felt the need to precede your actions with backstory as they are perceived to be incorrect by the majority of the player base. The only reason you'd need an excuse is if you thought you did something wrong. Though, I suppose calling it an excuse as opposed to reasoning would be more appropriate, in this instance it isn't. Ultimately think of it like this: did you save more time using the Limit Break as a ranged DPS on a bunch of trash mobs, or would you have saved more time on the last boss using a melee LB2. Correct answer is probably the latter. But it's Aurum Vale, so who cares.

That's incredibly false. The damage done for the entire group was increased significantly by hitting 6 mobs at 60% potency of a single bar LB than it would be on one target with 100% potency of melee lb. To put that in perspective, it did 360% of the melee LB in damage. There are no AoE skills that bring you to 360% of your single target DPS - with perhaps the exception of a SMN. Even then, I usually cap at around 300% sustained AoE over my sustained single, and this is only at level 60 when there are things like Deathflare. The AoE wouldn't be 300% of single target at level 49.

The amount a melee LB will save a run? Maybe like 10 seconds. Using it on trash makes that more like 12 seconds. So who cares?

To put it even more perspective for you. The 2 bar melee LB does 217% of a single bar LB - so a 1 bar aoe on 6 mobs of trash > 2 bar on single.

[AskaRay]

Honestly I would've used it on that first boss as MCH.
I would've used it as MCH on final boss if the melee didn't use it right as LB2 had ticked off (maybe not RIGHT as but yanno..don't wait)

I'm tired of people waiting to use it as a finishing move. Use it or lose it. You did fine, they were probably going to wait till the last ten percent to use it (and that's a waste).

[Rongway]

Honestly I would've used it on that first boss as MCH.
I would've used it as MCH on final boss if the melee didn't use it right as LB2 had ticked off (maybe not RIGHT as but yanno..don't wait)

I'm tired of people waiting to use it as a finishing move. Use it or lose it. You did fine, they were probably going to wait till the last ten percent to use it (and that's a waste).

I disagree; there are far too many non-melee DDs who are boss LB happy. If there's a melee DD, let him use it on the first boss.
Iff he doesn't, then use it yourself on the next big trash pull immediately after the tank's AoE hate move. This should save more time than using a weak LB on the first boss.

However, if you let this first AoE opportunity pass, then leave it alone. Once that first group is dead, any limit break by any DD before a 2-bar on the last boss will likely be a time loss.

[Jamillion]

If an LB isn't used ASAP you're losing out on LB time. Also, While I'm not 100% sure on the breakdown for ranged LB, caster LB does more damage than melee on 2 or more targets, ranged is weaker but I highly doubt it's so much weaker that on 3+ targets it's not a DPS gain. So unless you used it just before LB 2 and the tank was hoping to use it on the adds in the last boss (totally not necessary) your tank was a moron.

[VisRalis]

your tank was a moron.

Yeah, that and picking a fight about LB and V-kick at last boss? In pre-50 AV dungeon with a lvl synched party?
That Tank player deserves more expletives thrown at him tbh.

Maybe doing AV first time got him all wet in the pants and needed to vent.
Tanking AV being stressful and all (hah) =.=+ ahhh better stop there.

Hang in there OP ^3

[Critical-Limit]

If I ever lose the opportunity or a mechanic happens that makes LB not worth it when I'm on mnk. I always ask the AOE dPS to LB trash on the next big pull.