Using Limit Break (lb) on pulls

[Erys]

My take, be vocal. Whatever is what you are going to do, communicate. Throw in a "Hey, guys, I'm going to use lb on next pull so it fills against for the boss and we save some time", wait for any answer and proceed with the most fitting action.
I'll tell you a "reverse" example. A pull on Arboretum's second Honeycomb, I was paired with a BRD that didn't AoE during the whole dungeon to top it off:
I started my rotation with full opener because seeing BRD's dmg, we couldn't do it without at least losing the tank. After I popped all my shit and went to 1/4-1/2 of its HP with the opener, the Tank starts saying "LB". I didn't do it because I popped everything except Battle Littany and would enter the boss without buffs at all. So goes BRD at less than half hp and unleashes his LB and I end up going into the boss without a single jump or cd.
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[Erys]

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Whose fault was it? Tank's for saying it when a good chunk of the HP was removed and it was all ok, and mine for not saying we were going to be ok and was not needed.
BRD only followed orders and probably panicked a bit, which is ok. I suspect they were in premade also, but I could care less XD
What's my pityful excuse? Dirty console peasant. Either I dps or type XD

[Rongway]

Honestly I would've used it on that first boss as MCH.
I would've used it as MCH on final boss if the melee didn't use it right as LB2 had ticked off (maybe not RIGHT as but yanno..don't wait)

I'm tired of people waiting to use it as a finishing move. Use it or lose it. You did fine, they were probably going to wait till the last ten percent to use it (and that's a waste).

I disagree; there are far too many non-melee DDs who are boss LB happy. If there's a melee DD, let him use it on the first boss.
Iff he doesn't, then use it yourself on the next big trash pull immediately after the tank's AoE hate move. This should save more time than using a weak LB on the first boss.

However, if you let this first AoE opportunity pass, then leave it alone. Once that first group is dead, any limit break by any DD before a 2-bar on the last boss will likely be a time loss.

[VisRalis]

your tank was a moron.

Yeah, that and picking a fight about LB and V-kick at last boss? In pre-50 AV dungeon with a lvl synched party?
That Tank player deserves more expletives thrown at him tbh.

Maybe doing AV first time got him all wet in the pants and needed to vent.
Tanking AV being stressful and all (hah) =.=+ ahhh better stop there.

Hang in there OP ^3

[ForumMog]

Thank you for posting your thoughts and personal experience pertaining to the use of lb. All the inputs are valuable and your words of encouragement is greatly appreciated.

When the situation warrants it, creative use of lb outside of boss fight should be encouraged; for instance the Hive wall in Arboretum mentioned by Callback earlier in this thread. I hope this thread will serve, in however small capacity, as an introduction to the broad application of lb.

In the Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XXVI, during their coverage on "The Hall of the Novice"; they mentioned a training building with books. Perhaps they can include a Limit Break 101 book among its collection? Personally, i would love to read about how the potency of lb can be affected by our item levels, party composition etc.

[bounddreamer]

There's nothing wrong with using an LB on a massive trash pull if it was unused during the boss and there's time to refill before the next boss. If it blew the group's chance for an LB2 for final boss that's less desirable, but I certainly don't think it's behavior worthy of a kick. At most, a couple words from another party member saying why that wasn't the best use of LB, then move on and clear the dungeon. -_-

[Morzy]

People might not agree but tbh if you can use it on a heaping mob of enemies it could easily do more damage to all those enemies combined than that single target LB. And in the end isnt the total damage and time saved whats important?

If i was ranged id probably do this to and argue what i just said.

Although. I cant deny the value of the last boss LB2

[Namir]

I always use my caster limit break on trash pulls and have not had any complaints so far. Here's my reasoning why: people LOVE seeing big numbers, so when a melee pops that LB2 on a boss and they see that last 15% of their HP fall off they love it, it definitely creates the *illusion* of being more efficient, but in reality it isn't... at 4 mobs or more a caster LB1 (1400 potency x 4) already does more damage than a melee LB2 (5000 potency) and it does even more damage the more mobs there are, AND it can be used more often, because you're not worried about saving it for anything making it more efficient. Also, even if you use LB1 for trash chances are you will recharge back to LB1 during the boss fight and the melee can pop his LB1, so you really are only losing 7% more HP of the boss that you have to burn down, not 15%. As well, bosses die so quickly now that a lot of times you don't even reach that lv 2 gauge, making the wait for it pointless. I can understand saving melee LB for bosses when content is new or difficult but none of the content we have right now is either of those. Right now people just want to get runs done as fast as they can and caster or ranged lb 1 on trash pulls of 4 or more is better than melee LB2 on boss, it's simple math.

[Almalexia]

When to use LB in dungeons:
- As soon as possible
- As often as possible
- As long as the damage does not exceed target HP

20k damage is 20k damage, no matter who gets it in the face.

For AV specifically, I've made this handy flowchart for how to use LB as ranged/caster:

Are you fighting Locksmith?  ---> Yes ---> Don't LB
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                v
               No.
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                v
Are you fighting Coincounter?  ---> Yes ---> Don't LB
                |
                v
               No.
                |
                v
        LBLBLBLBLBLBLBLBLBLB

[Kaurie]

Could've done without the entire narrative, as you clearly felt the need to precede your actions with backstory as they are perceived to be incorrect by the majority of the player base. The only reason you'd need an excuse is if you thought you did something wrong. Though, I suppose calling it an excuse as opposed to reasoning would be more appropriate, in this instance it isn't. Ultimately think of it like this: did you save more time using the Limit Break as a ranged DPS on a bunch of trash mobs, or would you have saved more time on the last boss using a melee LB2. Correct answer is probably the latter. But it's Aurum Vale, so who cares.

That's incredibly false. The damage done for the entire group was increased significantly by hitting 6 mobs at 60% potency of a single bar LB than it would be on one target with 100% potency of melee lb. To put that in perspective, it did 360% of the melee LB in damage. There are no AoE skills that bring you to 360% of your single target DPS - with perhaps the exception of a SMN. Even then, I usually cap at around 300% sustained AoE over my sustained single, and this is only at level 60 when there are things like Deathflare. The AoE wouldn't be 300% of single target at level 49.

The amount a melee LB will save a run? Maybe like 10 seconds. Using it on trash makes that more like 12 seconds. So who cares?

To put it even more perspective for you. The 2 bar melee LB does 217% of a single bar LB - so a 1 bar aoe on 6 mobs of trash > 2 bar on single.