Using Limit Break (lb) on pulls

[RubenMathis]

Hi there. I can see where you're coming from with regard to the limit break. In my opinion the limit break should be used at convenient times:

1) During a boss fight (generally only reserved for melee dps. But ranged should execute it if the melee is lacking attention, or there are no melee dps on the team)
2) To pull a boss (if you only have ranged dps)
3) To burn down a large controlled group of trash mobs

Now some people may argue that the limit break should always be kept on cooldown. Whilst I agree that in most circumstances that is a wholesome use of the limit break, I also think that it should be saved if you anticipate that the party is approaching the boss of the dungeon.

Ultimately, executing the limit break at a convenient time, whilst giving sufficient time for the bar to recharge before the boss, seems to be one of the more efficient methods of using this handy tool.

[MagiusNecros]

Don't like how lb is implemented. Each player needs their own bar. Otherwise I will almost never use it as a BLM. Since I am busting out LB damage like nothing when I get going.

[Callback]

In a dungeon where you can super-pull everything between the 1st and 2nd bosses, I would want to AoE LB that. Hell I've been known to just melee LB the hive wall in arboretum. From 2nd boss onwards just save for the lv2 quick kill on the last boss.

[Leigaon]

I am sorry you had that experience with the Tank and above all else, getting kicked. You were in the right using the LB as needed, the LB should have been used on the first boss. Unless the party is having issues and is just barely getting by there is no need to wait for the last few % to do it. The team should trust each other to know that if a LB is used, it is used in the best interest of the party. In your case it was a bunch of mobs and using a LoS to take them down. There was no reason to be kicked, there was no reason to save the LB for the duration in the dungeon.

[Erys]

My take, be vocal. Whatever is what you are going to do, communicate. Throw in a "Hey, guys, I'm going to use lb on next pull so it fills against for the boss and we save some time", wait for any answer and proceed with the most fitting action.
I'll tell you a "reverse" example. A pull on Arboretum's second Honeycomb, I was paired with a BRD that didn't AoE during the whole dungeon to top it off:
I started my rotation with full opener because seeing BRD's dmg, we couldn't do it without at least losing the tank. After I popped all my shit and went to 1/4-1/2 of its HP with the opener, the Tank starts saying "LB". I didn't do it because I popped everything except Battle Littany and would enter the boss without buffs at all. So goes BRD at less than half hp and unleashes his LB and I end up going into the boss without a single jump or cd.
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[Erys]

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Whose fault was it? Tank's for saying it when a good chunk of the HP was removed and it was all ok, and mine for not saying we were going to be ok and was not needed.
BRD only followed orders and probably panicked a bit, which is ok. I suspect they were in premade also, but I could care less XD
What's my pityful excuse? Dirty console peasant. Either I dps or type XD

[ForumMog]

Thank you for posting your thoughts and personal experience pertaining to the use of lb. All the inputs are valuable and your words of encouragement is greatly appreciated.

When the situation warrants it, creative use of lb outside of boss fight should be encouraged; for instance the Hive wall in Arboretum mentioned by Callback earlier in this thread. I hope this thread will serve, in however small capacity, as an introduction to the broad application of lb.

In the Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XXVI, during their coverage on "The Hall of the Novice"; they mentioned a training building with books. Perhaps they can include a Limit Break 101 book among its collection? Personally, i would love to read about how the potency of lb can be affected by our item levels, party composition etc.

[bounddreamer]

There's nothing wrong with using an LB on a massive trash pull if it was unused during the boss and there's time to refill before the next boss. If it blew the group's chance for an LB2 for final boss that's less desirable, but I certainly don't think it's behavior worthy of a kick. At most, a couple words from another party member saying why that wasn't the best use of LB, then move on and clear the dungeon. -_-

[Morzy]

People might not agree but tbh if you can use it on a heaping mob of enemies it could easily do more damage to all those enemies combined than that single target LB. And in the end isnt the total damage and time saved whats important?

If i was ranged id probably do this to and argue what i just said.

Although. I cant deny the value of the last boss LB2

[Namir]

I always use my caster limit break on trash pulls and have not had any complaints so far. Here's my reasoning why: people LOVE seeing big numbers, so when a melee pops that LB2 on a boss and they see that last 15% of their HP fall off they love it, it definitely creates the *illusion* of being more efficient, but in reality it isn't... at 4 mobs or more a caster LB1 (1400 potency x 4) already does more damage than a melee LB2 (5000 potency) and it does even more damage the more mobs there are, AND it can be used more often, because you're not worried about saving it for anything making it more efficient. Also, even if you use LB1 for trash chances are you will recharge back to LB1 during the boss fight and the melee can pop his LB1, so you really are only losing 7% more HP of the boss that you have to burn down, not 15%. As well, bosses die so quickly now that a lot of times you don't even reach that lv 2 gauge, making the wait for it pointless. I can understand saving melee LB for bosses when content is new or difficult but none of the content we have right now is either of those. Right now people just want to get runs done as fast as they can and caster or ranged lb 1 on trash pulls of 4 or more is better than melee LB2 on boss, it's simple math.