What if we changed the way cures were scaled?

[Cabalabob]

Right now cure and physick are very limited as cross classes, as they rely on the magic damage and MND stat which only healers use, making it too weak on other jobs and not needed on healers as they have their own version. So what if SE changed up how cures work to make them viable to other classes and even useful to other healers as cross classes?

What if physick was INT based?

First let's look at it from a lore point of view, mind, kind of a vague concept but I imagine it to be like an inner peace and awareness of the world kind of thing, which goes with the lore of conjurer and cure, but what about physick? The name kind of suggests it's more of a medical thing, now I've never seen a Tibetan monk perform surgery before, but I have seen a lot of learned doctors do it, so intelligence as the stat to govern physick makes sense to me.

Next let's look at what effect this would have on gameplay. Physick would become a viable cross class for Blm and smn, as well as whm, allowing blms and smns to assist heal effectively if needed, and allowing sch and whm to give minor healing without dropping cleric's stance, it would also make cure a viable cross class for sch as they would need a mind based cure for when out of cleric's stance.

The only downside to this is it means that sch HAS to level cnj to get cure and cleric's stance to be viable. But those are both very low level moves (below 15, the required level of cnj to unlock sch) which makes it far more reasonable than the requirement of war and drk needing to get gla to 22 for provoke, since you need to have these moves available to unlock sch in the first place.

What if cure scaled off of both weapon damage and magical damage and Attack power and healing magic potency (whichever is highest on the job using it)?

This would make it a viable cross class for PLD again while still being weaker than whm cure, due to weapon damage and STR on pld being lower than magical damage and MND on whm. This would allow pld at 60 to keep up in self heals with war having storm's path, equilibrium and inner beast and drk having souleater and abyssal drain, with something other than clemency.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Then what's the point in having healer jobs if anyone can heal?

[Cabalabob]

That's the same as saying what's the point of damage dealers when healers can go cleric's stance? Even with these changes the healing wouldn't be nearly as effective as an actual healer, a pld whose cure scales off WD and attack power would still only heal for about 1.7k at 60 with i205 (full STR spec), which is around what a level 50 whm cures for, let alone a 60 whm and let alone let alone cure 2 and all their other heals.

[Tint]

Then what's the point in having healer jobs if anyone can heal?

the healers are already more a DD than a healer anyway xD

btw Cure has a trait that gives you a Cure 2 for free. so it makes no sense to use physick instead with my whm

[Malzian]

Right now cure and physick are very limited as cross classes, as they rely on the magic damage and MND stat which only healers use, making it too weak on other jobs and not needed on healers as they have their own version. So what if SE changed up how cures work to make them viable to other classes and even useful to other healers as cross classes?

What if physick was INT based?

If physick were INT based then you would have to change the SCH gear from a main stat of MND to a main stat of INT. Also, if a BLM cross-classes physick in their top-tier INT gear, with the way it specs out now, they would actually heal better than a SCH does now. This pretty much would cut SCH out from the game entirely.

What if cure scaled off of both weapon damage and magical damage and Attack power and healing magic potency (whichever is highest on the job using it)?

This would make it a viable cross class for PLD again while still being weaker than whm cure, due to weapon damage and STR on pld being lower than magical damage and MND on whm. This would allow pld at 60 to keep up in self heals with war having storm's path, equilibrium and inner beast and drk having souleater and abyssal drain, with something other than clemency.

For this one, if you look at it from a classical standpoint the weapons that the mages wield in the FF games is never the source of their power. Magic is wielded through the weapon, but does not come from the weapon. With a few rare exceptions (RDM), mages in the series have typically had the weakest weapons which is still the case in XIV. If you make this the case then it is also likely that classes aside from healers will be able to do comparable healing with the dedicated healers we have now and thus...

Then what's the point in having healer jobs if anyone can heal?

Summation: It's problematic from both a balancing standpoint, a class efficacy standpoint as well as generally not fitting in with the over-all lore that the Final Fantasy series has established.

[Alberel]

If physick were INT based then you would have to change the SCH gear from a main stat of MND to a main stat of INT. Also, if a BLM cross-classes physick in their top-tier INT gear, with the way it specs out now, they would actually heal better than a SCH does now. This pretty much would cut SCH out from the game entirely.

Summation: It's problematic from both a balancing standpoint, a class efficacy standpoint as well as generally not fitting in with the over-all lore that the Final Fantasy series has established.

Not sure where all your balance arguments are coming from. How would a BLM with a single Cure spell outheal a SCH with fairy, shields and all their healing cooldowns? You do realise only the basic healing spell from each class is cross-class right?

[Bixillarla]

the healers are already more a DD than a healer anyway xD

btw Cure has a trait that gives you a Cure 2 for free. so it makes no sense to use physick instead with my whm

Not me. I am 100% healer, I rolled healer to heal not DPS. If I want to DPS I will play a DPS class. Not all healers do damage.

[Cabalabob]

If physick were INT based then you would have to change the SCH gear from a main stat of MND to a main stat of INT. Also, if a BLM cross-classes physick in their top-tier INT gear, with the way it specs out now, they would actually heal better than a SCH does now. This pretty much would cut SCH out from the game entirely.

Sch wouldn't need to be retooled as physick would be the only spell INT based, they would have cure as a cross class to take its place as their primary MND based cure. As for Blm being better, as alberel said, it's 1 spell, Blm wouldn't have nearly as much power as sch for healing with their entire healing toolkit.

For this one, if you look at it from a classical standpoint the weapons that the mages wield in the FF games is never the source of their power. Magic is wielded through the weapon, but does not come from the weapon. With a few rare exceptions (RDM), mages in the series have typically had the weakest weapons which is still the case in XIV. If you make this the case then it is also likely that classes aside from healers will be able to do comparable healing with the dedicated healers we have now

Pld already has access to clemency which is a healing spell far more powerful than cure that is based on their WD and attack power, so there's no reason that they couldn't use other healing spells effectively the same way. And looking at it from a classical standpoint PLD has always had access to cure spells that it could use effectively even if less so than whm, which would become the same case here with this change.

btw Cure has a trait that gives you a Cure 2 for free. so it makes no sense to use physick instead with my whm

If you're in cleric's stance doing some dps and a party member doesn't dodge an AoE, instead of dropping cleric's to do a 2.9k cure with a chance to proc a cure 2 you won't use, you can stay in cleric's and use a 2.5k physick.

[Tint]

If you're in cleric's stance doing some dps and a party member doesn't dodge an AoE, instead of dropping cleric's to do a 2.9k cure with a chance to proc a cure 2 you won't use, you can stay in cleric's and use a 2.5k physick.

activating gives a 5 seconds cooldown. deactivating does not lead to a cooldown. so i can dropp cleric, use one cure and reactivate it right after. i will not lose more dps than i would anyways, but the heal is bigger and i can proc a free cure 2 wich i probably won't use - but chances are high someone gets hit again before the freecure buff runs out and then i can heal him for zero mana cost - wich leads to more mana for dpsing. at least the tanks HP will dropp...

[Zojha]

Then what's the point in having healer jobs if anyone can heal?

What's the point in having DPS jobs if anyone can DPS?