4Gamer Interview with Yoshi-P!

[BubblyBoar]

I.. don't know what you are on about?

An INCREDIBLY brief starting point for your research. Serves the purpose of explaining what I mean and nothing more.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/sci...-weirdness.htm

Stuff.

By asking for specializations, you are asking for the exact same thing. I really don't see the point you are making. You say DRK is just PLD with some slight differences. But that's exactly what a skill tree would be. So.....wat? Not to mention that DRK's gameplay is different from PLD's. So much so that I enjoy playing DRK and do not enjoy playing PLD. But if they were exactly the same playstyle, why would there even be a difference? It should feel exactly the same right? Or maybe, just maybe, you are trying to generalize to make a point. That's like saying DRG, MNK, and NIN are all the same because they are melee DPS and they have a buff to maintain. DRK's style is different and is a new job. Try seeing it for what it actually is. WAR is very different, yes, but not so powerful that it's better to run 2 WARs. Especially considering that DRK's DPS is nothing to laugh at (obvious not WAR level, but it is up there).

They are trying to hire people. It's really a combination of people not applying for the positions they have open and SE not giving the FFXIV team what they need. I agree with you, they need more people, but that's out of their hands.

And honestly, leveling is nothing. I'm a casual player and I have 3 jobs at 60 and a 4th at 59. It's not a bother if you take your time, and if you want to rush, expect it to burn you out. What it sounds like is that you want more options, but don't want to level another job to have tho options. Aren't you the same person that didn't want to rank up in PvP for the new gear?

[Nektulos-Tuor]

An INCREDIBLY brief starting point for your research. Serves the purpose of explaining what I mean and nothing more.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/sci...-weirdness.htm



By asking for specializations, you are asking for the exact same thing. I really don't see the point you are making. You say DRK is just PLD with some slight differences. But that's exactly what a skill tree would be. So.....wat? Not to mention that DRK's gameplay is different from PLD's. So much so that I enjoy playing DRK and do not enjoy playing PLD. But if they were exactly the same playstyle, why would there even be a difference? It should feel exactly the same right? Or maybe, just maybe, you are trying to generalize to make a point. That's like saying DRG, MNK, and NIN are all the same because they are melee DPS and they have a buff to maintain. DRK's style is different and is a new job. Try seeing it for what it actually is. WAR is very different, yes, but not so powerful that it's better to run 2 WARs. Especially considering that DRK's DPS is nothing to laugh at (obvious not WAR level, but it is up there).

They are trying to hire people. It's really a combination of people not applying for the positions they have open and SE not giving the FFXIV team what they need. I agree with you, they need more people, but that's out of their hands.

And honestly, leveling is nothing. I'm a casual player and I have 3 jobs at 60 and a 4th at 59. It's not a bother if you take your time, and if you want to rush, expect it to burn you out. What it sounds like is that you want more options, but don't want to level another job to have tho options. Aren't you the same person that didn't want to rank up in PvP for the new gear?

I have 3 level 60s but they are all different characters (which means I had to go through the boring tedious story 3 times.). I do not like having a character which doesn't fit the job look like it. So I have multiple characters.

I just dislike the entire Job switching system, it just seems a bit silly that a Lalafell can use a giant axe as good as the other classes and immersion breaking honestly.

[Kaurie]

An INCREDIBLY brief starting point for your research. Serves the purpose of explaining what I mean and nothing more.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/sci...-weirdness.htm

I am not sure what Quantum Physics has to do with anything.

[Velhart]

I.. don't know what you are on about?



Oh I'm sorry, you mentioned that you played WoW and FFXI, so yes I made that assumption. How did you find the GW1 build customization?

Had some flaws, but it worked. Nothing is perfect. The difference is that game was built from the ground up with that system in mind.

I am not sure why people won't take it seriously, I believe I've made the argument that I would take it very seriously. Further, there is a lot of stuff in the game that people do not take seriously, are they all wastes of time?

A lot of new players don't take a deep look at what is available to them, especially since the jobs are pretty basic till you start in lv.40+.

Indeed, that is what Yoshi has said, and that is why I am aggravated. I think it's a horrible response. "We understand that you'd enjoy this, but that's like a lot of work, so we're not going to do it." That's not a very good response to feedback. Could you imagine this response given to feedback in almost any other industry?

I am not dismissing your opinion, I just look at things on both sides of the fence on both developer and consumer side. People bring up ideas, and they do not sound bad on paper, but don't ask if this is something realistic. When people give suggestions, I ask myself how does this benefit the consumer and how difficult it is to implement on the developer's side. If one side does not balance well, then I don't believe it works in the long run. It can be fun to look at ideas in hindsight, but that is pretty much how far you can go with it. On my end, if this game was built up like FFXI, I would likely still enjoy it. But it isn't.

[BubblyBoar]

I am not sure what Quantum Physics has to do with anything.

Did...you not connect the dots? I said that an exception to the rule does not invalidate the rule. You countered by saying that it does because that's how science works. And I countered that by saying that quantum physics breaks the rules science is built on. So that means that either all out science is wrong because quantum physics is an exception to normal science, or that as an exception, it does not invalidate normal science.

[Kaurie]

Did...you not connect the dots? I said that an exception to the rule does not invalidate the rule. You countered by saying that it does because that's how science works. And I countered that by saying that quantum physics breaks the rules science is built on. So that means that either all out science is wrong because quantum physics is an exception to normal science, or that as an exception, it does not invalidate normal science.

I couldn't connect the dots, because I couldn't understand your ramble of a post. When I asked for clarification you linked an article to Quantum Physics :|

Although, your clarified post helps a lot. Thanks. I would say that, generally speaking then, that is how science works. You are always trying to prove something as false. You make a hypothesis and then try to prove it wrong, and keep experimenting. The more times you experiment and cannot prove it incorrect, the more likely it is to be true. However, as soon as you prove it false, you have it.

When i am talking about how science works, I mean that is the methodology of science (or Scientific Method). I am not sure if that was clear.

SNIP

PS Velhart, just letting you know I didn't just bail on our discussion. I gave you a +1/Like/Thumbs up, because I think you make a good argument. That said, I do disagree for the most part. It all comes back to my initial post that there are great arguments on both sides for/against traits/specializations etc., and it doesn't look like either side is going to convince the other side to change their minds.

[Dyvid]

Okay, Yoshi-P is worried about cookie-cutter builds. Fine, I get that so why not just make one build. One thing we didn't get with 3.0 is new traits. Why not have us work toward unlocking new traits throughout the life cycle of 3.XX? Like previously FF games have us equip an item or materia, gain temporary access to that trait while equip, and have us grind to permanently unlock that trait to the job. Again the point is players need a carrot to chase after level cap or they get bored and move on.

[KarstenS]

"However, we often use zero in the calculation for damage required from healers."

Can we close all the healer DPS threads now?

Not only that. For tank damage they only count the damage dealt by doing the standard emnity rotation.

So we could say, nearly every damage dealer is not bringing the 85-90% of their max DPS on the table, which they are considered to do in the encounter design.

[KarstenS]

Mmm not really because the current savage dps checks were tuned for around 200-210 gear,

lol?

A1? This is pretty shure designed for i190.

A2? From the logic of older raids: i195.

A3 will be designed around i200.

A4 could be in the i205 range.

You should take a look which gear was available at the release of the raid and from where you do get it. An ancounter cannot be designed for an higher iLvl than you can get without looting this encounter.

[Alahra]

One area that they could probably introduce some customization, at least for DPS jobs, would be choices that allow the character to improve on AoE damage or single-target damage. While players would naturally gravitate toward the single-target stuff for high end raiding play, a choice like that could still have consequence since dungeons (which have a lot of AoE) are still a significant amount of the game's content.

For healers and tanks, assuming they actually rebalance incoming tank damage for the future, the choice between damage/survivability and damage/healing could fulfill a similar role, with the former option being more preferred for dungeons and the latter for raids and trials.

The overall bonuses would need to be relatively small, of course (and some jobs, like BLM, that have both solid single-target and solid AoE damage might be harder to balance here), but something like this would get around the "cookie cutter" aspect a bit, as even hardcore raiders typically run dungeons for tomestones, so these kind of choices wouldn't be strictly cookie cutter.

I'll admit that part of my desire to see something like this largely stems from how awful NIN's AoE is though. It's my main but I almost never play it in dungeons because there are just more efficient options.