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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    I agree. I am always in favor of making a simplistic system with a lot of depth, which I think the game delivers for the most part. People still even talk or experiment today on how to best approach a job. It is not to say that improvements shouldn't be made, but SE is on the right track with how they set it up. A better step actually cutting out classes for the new jobs.
    The classes by themselves add almost no depth to the game though, not unless they actually rework it from the ground up. All it's really done is made you require XYZ levleed up for cross skills, rather than baking in those "essential" cross skills (things like provoke, invigorate) to the individual jobs.

    Come 4.x though, I think it would be ideal to do the job overhaul alongside new abilties and traits. There's too many buttons for most jobs to be able to add anymore, and traits by themselves are "meh" and have very limited framework. Jobs like BRD (if they intend on keeping WM) and SMN (for the "pet" aspect, unless they intend on doing that for MCH, but that's a long road with what we have now) need to be given another look before they continue on adding new abilties.
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    Velhart Aurion
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    The classes by themselves add almost no depth to the game though, not unless they actually rework it from the ground up. All it's really done is made you require XYZ levleed up for cross skills, rather than baking in those "essential" cross skills (things like provoke, invigorate) to the individual jobs.

    Come 4.x though, I think it would be ideal to do the job overhaul alongside new abilties and traits. There's too many buttons for most jobs to be able to add anymore, and traits by themselves are "meh" and have very limited framework. Jobs like BRD (if they intend on keeping WM) and SMN (for the "pet" aspect, unless they intend on doing that for MCH, but that's a long road with what we have now) need to be given another look before they continue on adding new abilties.
    I would agree if it wasn't easy to level those jobs to get those abilities. Maybe not ideal, but certainly not a big deal either. It does get you on other jobs for better or worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    I would agree if it wasn't easy to level those jobs to get those abilities. Maybe not ideal, but certainly not a big deal either. It does get you on other jobs for better or worse.
    It's certainly not a big deal, but it's still arcahic in design and arbitrary compared to giving each job abilties to manage their own TP. There's homogenization and there's straight up copying abilities, one way to look at it is if we didn't have 5 cross skills, it'd be 5 job skills exclusive to that specific job, giving them more room to work with.
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    Skadi Felis
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    It would already help if they free the cross-skills from their restrictions, like they were during 1.x.
    It was possible to equip most of the learned skills with every class.
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