message from a player to part of the community about jobs

[Anathaer]

You, Sir, are missing the point. People come to MMO for the social aspect not to be told how to play the game and if you do your part good enough even if it is a bit unusual, then no one should complain. It would be boring if everyone battled the same and knowing SE there is more than one way. You must be one of those Elitists cause I never called anyone thus. But this is all I will say about this before it turns into a argument forum which I have seen plenty of times as well...

[FunkyBunch]

You, Sir, are missing the point. People come to MMO for the social aspect not to be told how to play the game and if you do your part good enough even if it is a bit unusual, then no one should complain. It would be boring if everyone battled the same and knowing SE there is more than one way. You must be one of those Elitists cause I never called anyone thus. But this is all I will say about this before it turns into a argument forum which I have seen plenty of times as well...

You've derailed the BLM rotation thread now...

[Anathaer]

You've derailed the BLM rotation thread now...

Actually it was a general thread made BY a BLM but about people letting them choose their own style. You can read the first post if you do not believe me. Yes she says it AS a BLM but the subject was not telling people how to play.

[AnimaAnimus]

You've derailed the BLM rotation thread now...

Nope I will get it back on track cause he failed to see my point as well.

I was actually going to make a post asking if enochain was still the top rotation (I haven't played blm since I cancelled my alt account a couple months ago, but I was able to keep it going nearly 100%), whenever I am in a dungeon, and even primal ex pts blms never seem to use enochain and just go back to the normal arr f1/3 rotations. I am to the point of being surprised if I see an enochain at all and the last 2 times I have they spammed bliz4.

So if I do bring my blm back up on this char enochain is still the rotation of choice? And up to how many mobs before you revert to the f2/flare rotation of days past, cause I see that a ton on 2+ mobs still too.

[FunkyBunch]

Actually it was a general thread made BY a BLM but about people letting them choose their own style. You can read the first post if you do not believe me. Yes she says it AS a BLM but the subject was not telling people how to play.

I made a joke. The community ignored the toxic player refusing to learn how to play their class and then the thread became how do you get better and people helping each other.
Then you de-railed the helpful thread by going back to the toxic past where you want to play sub-optimally and make the rest of your dungeon party pay the price.

Nope I will get it back on track cause he failed to see my point as well.

I was actually going to make a post asking if enochain was still the top rotation (I haven't played blm since I cancelled my alt account a couple months ago, but I was able to keep it going nearly 100%), whenever I am in a dungeon, and even primal ex pts blms never seem to use enochain and just go back to the normal arr f1/3 rotations. I am to the point of being surprised if I see an enochain at all and the last 2 times I have they spammed bliz4.

So if I do bring my blm back up on this char enochain is still the rotation of choice? And up to how many mobs before you revert to the f2/flare rotation of days past, cause I see that a ton on 2+ mobs still too.

The trouble is, during most non boss pulls, it's too hard to keep enochian up due to down time between mobs and with 3+ mobs it's better to do F2 and Flare anyway.
Boss fights though, you should be casting F4 as much as humanly possible. You want three rotations out of it as by the end of the third rotation Enochian will be up for cast again.

To start with you should try getting 5,4,3 then bump it up to 5,4,4 and 6,4,4.

[Pyroclastic]

I'm making this message because I ended again with some overblown heads who kicked me out because of my playstyle as thaumaturge, which mainly consist of never being manaempty (rotating bliz and fire).

And here comes the overblown ego heads that claim it's actually better to spend the whole MP casting fire1, then transpose as it supposedly restore the whole MP bar, which does not happen when I tried it and I didn't like it. Fine, I can understand that some players love to play it like that, but get it in your skull that there's more than one playstyle!

Giving advice is OK, but telling the other exactly what he should do, how he should do and how to play is called ruining the fun. If you are one of those with the overly inflated ego, please, just stop believing your way is always good. There's more than one good way to play, each player has it's own.

Yes, you're right, they were being dicks. But for good reason. They, just like you, are paying a sub for this game. Maybe you like wasting time with terrible "playstyles", but most people don't.

The reason why you are getting kicked so often is because a thaumathurge /blm's MAIN JOB is to dish out tons and tons of dmg. By alternating fire/ice you are basically doing about 20% of the dmg output you COULD be doing. This is why people are annoyed with you in dungeons and turn in to dickheads and kick you.

You say your main is whm? Imagine you meet a WHM in the DF that heals ONLY by spamming regen. And then that WHM says: "Srry, curing is not my playstyle!". This is you.

Imagine a tank that pulls 3 mobs, and then ONLY attacks 1 of them, resulting in the healer drawing aggro. And then the tank says: "Srry, this is my playstyle!" This is you.

Imagine a bard that ONLY spams heavy shot, never singing or using dots or aoe's. And then the bard says: "Srry, this is my playstyle!" This is you.

Yeah sure, EVENTUALLY these "playstyles" will get the job done, but that doesnt mean they were any good, I mean, my 5 year old sister could prolly finish a low lvl dungeon succesfully by spamming 1 button....

Imagine you trying to explain to them they should use cure to heal, use flash to aoe taunt, and use dots to increase dmg output, but all you got was a stubborn response like "Srry, this is my playstyle!", would you remain happy as you were? Or would you become annoyed and pissed off about the fact that you're paying a sub for a game and this person is holding you inside this dungeon much much much longer than it should normally take. Would you start considering kicking this person so that you may get a decent tank/heal/dps? I think yes.

Do you understand now why people become massive dickheads in your company? I'm preeeeeetty sure they weren't like that before they entered the dungeon.

Do yourself and everyone else a favor and stop pissing people off in dungeons with your terrible, suboptimal, cringeworthy "playstyle", and ATLEAST read your tooltips. Perhaps reading a small guide would make things clearer. But PLEASE do not expect to be carried on everyone's back. You WILL be kicked with "rotations" like that.

[AnimaAnimus]

Ok, that's what I thought.

The horrible thing is even in bosses I never see enochain used so I wasn't sure. Blm always just spam f1/3. Even in things like Bis ex or Rav ex where I always thought it would be optimal in some situations.

I asked once if enochain was nerfed and no longer good when we weren't making the dps check (this was awhile ago of course) and got ripped a new one by the blm. But his excuse was that it was 'too hard' and 'barely makes a difference' and then after a wall of text about how he plays his job as optimally as he felt he should I was called an elistest and he left. The whole pt was dumbfounded since it was a simple and innocent question that wasn't intended to be snobbish in the least and everyone but the blm took it like that. That sensitivity can be real sometimes.

[8bitNinja]

Yes, you're right, they were being dicks. But for good reason. They, just like you, are paying a sub for this game. Maybe you like wasting time with terrible "playstyles", but most people don't.

The issue with transpose is, once you have F3, B3, and enough MP it's useless. If you manage your MP right you can keep going from Astral 3 to Umbral 3 just shy of running out of MP. I only touch transpose now if the fight ends while I still have astral up and need MP back.

[AskaRay]

The issue with transpose is, once you have F3, B3, and enough MP it's useless. If you manage your MP right you can keep going from Astral 3 to Umbral 3 just shy of running out of MP. I only touch transpose now if the fight ends while I still have astral up and need MP back.

I use it with Flare and when I'm in UI and I got a Firestarter proc....
though I'm no BLM.

[RiceisNice]

The issue with transpose is, once you have F3, B3, and enough MP it's useless. If you manage your MP right you can keep going from Astral 3 to Umbral 3 just shy of running out of MP. I only touch transpose now if the fight ends while I still have astral up and need MP back.

OP's thm isnt high enough to have fire III or blizzard III, so transpose is still relevant to him for swapping back and forth.