message from a player to part of the community about jobs

[SenseiSoriel]

You don't need to save your mana as a THM/BLM as everyone has been telling you. You can easily just empty out your mana with fire spells, tranpose to go into umbral, use blizzard, then start using fire when you regenerate to full. Your problem is that you're totally unaccepting and being unreceptive of advice to better your role, regardless of how it's given. People are goign to get justifably upset if you're not performing as a DPS by dpsing effectively because you're ignoring the core concept of your class.

I'm receptive to the advice given, but when the person just spam ''do as I say cause I'm da best'', I consider that an order and I don't really like getting orders from those that believe they are the best. Must have something to do with the agressive feeling of harassment they tend to exude...

[SenseiSoriel]

Then you're either going guns ablazing before the tank even gets the first hit, you're overgearing, or the tank isn't a good. And honestly at early levels, THM is very prone to pulling aggro because of how high their damage is... which means you're doing your job and the tank isn't considering normal circumstances.

Never went before the tank could deal damage, I'm just monitoring the whole field to the best of my abilities, often checking my MP, my HP, the HP of others, the minimap, the adds that spawn, what enemy I can put to sleep (it's usefull) and wich has to be killed in priority and so on. I'm gessing I see Blackmage as a fine pinpoint tool that hurts where and when it's needed.

[AskaRay]

You have to think of it less as "do as I say because I'm better than you" and view this as "(try to) do as I say because it's literally better than what you're doing". Sometimes...people really are better than you. I ask tips from my WHM friend all the time because I'm a terrible WHM. Can't WHM myself out of a dark room with Holy. View this "order" as "well, you know, these people with more experience than me are telling me how this job works". I mean, if you don't believe any of this stuff, just try it out and see. Read the tooltips. Read the active help. Read the popups on your buff bar.

If you consider people teaching you to be an "order" and you don't like taking orders, how did you get through school?

[RiceisNice]

I'm receptive to the advice given, but when the person just spam ''do as I say cause I'm da best'', I consider that an order and I don't really like getting orders from those that believe they are the best. Must have something to do with the agressive feeling of harassment they tend to exude...

I literally do not believe that this is the case as opposed to your perspective of it, going by this quote

I'm making this message because I ended again with some overblown heads.... never being manaempty (rotating bliz and fire).
And here comes the overblown ego heads..

It sounds more like you being overly offensive when told that your way of playing THM is wrong (which it is).

[SenseiSoriel]

AskaRay, how many years of gamming do you have under the belt? I have over 20 years of gamming experience. 14ARR has only been online for a few years already and you tell me I must absolutelly follow the orders of those that believes themselves to be gods? I'm not a little lamb that will go and do what they want, I've met persons like them IRL, they're bullies that believe no one else is better than them. When they are unhappy about something, they usually hurt someone. here's a fact, no one is better and no one is worse, everyone is equal with me. I hate elitists who concrete pour something into a mold because it's the ''right'' way to do when in fact it just destroy. Pretty sure youre a borderline elitist too.

[Whiteroom]

Funny thing you mention 6 seconds, that can be the exact time where everyone but the black mage is still alive. And must I say that I checked the aggro I amass and get second in a party fast. Pretty sure using the ''official'' one grabs all the aggro from the tank. Often saw black mages fall too because of that.

You may want to make sure you are targeting the mob the tank is. Also this is why quelling strikes is used for blm. But was does everyone but you dying have to do with the time it takes you to regain mp? You aren't the healer. And it's not lime you can't cast spells during this time. You just stick to any spells but ones that give you Astral fire stacks during the mp regen phase.

Also how is everyone but the blm alive if you are the one grabbing aggro? Logic says if you grab aggro, you die first. Or the tank has died and you are second on the list, you die second. But you you grab aggro and then the tank dies, it is likely because you targetted a mob that is not the primary, then the haeler had to juggle you and the tank, resulting in a wipe with an inexperienced healer. Given your lack of understanding of the job, it is likely that you are part of the cause of the wipe.

Also its not that you aren't using the "optimal" rotation for your job, you are using a terrible one. In this game you can't just do a random rotation and end up with 90% of the damage of the optimal one, the design does not allow for it. You end up with really really bad dps.

Honestly, if you have been playing games for 20 years and throw that around, you should be able to figure this simple stuff out. That you are throwing it around while defending such an ignorant rotation and reasons for it just means you haven't learned all that that experience should teach you. Also with an aging gamer population, you should consider that that benchmark isn't a very good one to throw about, you will have many who have been gaming for 30+ on these forums. Actually, the only thing that much experience can really teach you is which way to hold the controller, and that you should read the tooltips.

[SenseiSoriel]

I literally do not believe that this is the case as opposed to your perspective of it, going by this quote
It sounds more like you being overly offensive when told that your way of playing THM is wrong (which it is).

You never had to deal with bullies, right? And as I said, there is no wrong way to play. If the game became real life, then now it would matter the most to play it at it's apex of power, but then again, we ain't in Log Horizon universe here. And yes, I get offensive when I see someone push his weight around as if he's the king of the world, the cream of the cream, the best in everything. That's what causes so much crap to hit the fans and makes the world turn square.

[SenseiSoriel]

*snip, shortened*

Also how is everyone but the blm alive if you are the one grabbing aggro? Logic says if you grab aggro, you die first. Or the tank has died and you are second on the list, you die second. But you you grab aggro and then the tank dies, it is likely because you targetted a mob that is not the primary, then the haeler had to juggle you and the tank, resulting in a wipe with an inexperienced healer. Given your lack of understanding of the job, it is likely that you are part of the cause of the wipe.

Also its not that you aren't using the "optimal" rotation for your job, you are using a terrible one. In this game you can't just do a random rotation and end up with 90% of the damage of the optimal one, the design does not allow for it. You end up with really really bad dps.

Because not enough mana means not grabbing the aggro. And I do believe that bliz spells grab way less than fire spells.

[Whiteroom]

Because not enough mana means not grabbing the aggro. And I do believe that bliz spells grab way less than fire spells.

Because they do way less damage. You know, the thing you are there to do. But either way, you say you grab lots of aggro, which if there has been so many times with a party wipe, and you being the last to die, is untrue. Also, it's ideal for you to have aggro after the tank, that way every thing doesn't rush the healer if the tanks die. I have been BLMT many times, and its not that bad. Also, if you are building too much aggro on one target, its not the end of the world to throw one or two fires at some other mob while the tank solidifies aggro before switching back, a 20 year vet should be able to figure these things out.

[SenseiSoriel]

I'm going to make another post here: Why the hell are you targeting my way of getting the job done when the subject is about those overblown heads that cause players to quit because they are pushing their weight around! There's no right way nor any wrong way to play any jobs! I'm feeling like this is the best place for trolls to hang out and attack players when in fact someone is trying to raise a good point about one huge issue in the player base, which is those that believe each job has a clear cut way of being played and you cannot derail from that way. Pretty sure it's mindsets like that that causes the most wars in the world.

And attacking one person to hide the problem won't change anything, which is exactly what is happening in this thread.