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  1. #41
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    SenseiSoriel's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almalexia View Post
    You have the wrong idea about FFXIV.

    Jobs to not have "builds" or "specs" or "styles." They each have a single, stringent and optimal rotation - an ideal. Every buff and ability fits into a rhythm, which produces The Best Outcome when executed in time. Any deviation from this rhythm is necessarily Not-The-Best Outcome.

    *snip, shortened*

    The sooner you accept there's one way to do it, the sooner you can start mastering it.
    And that's where you fail as human. You standardize and put everything in the same exact mold when everyone is different and plays differently. I'm playing games since over 20 years ago. I'm used to never being mana empty. I find using fire repeatedly burn the bar too much, but I do have my small rotation that uses transpose. Never went bellow half the mp bar for no reason, best reasons being in boss fights. Guess you were a great bully in school.
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  2. #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel View Post
    And that's where you fail as human. You standardize and put everything in the same exact mold when everyone is different and plays differently.
    Everyone plays differently, and the way you're playing is objectively failing at the role you're queuing up as...that is, being a damage dealer. The matter of fact is, this game does not have talent trees or effective class/job customizations. There's always one way to deal damage that's generally the most effective, assuming the circumstances apply. You're either playing the class right, or you're not (and going by your OP, you aren't since you clearly are not utilizing the core mechanic of blackmage)

    Quote Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel View Post
    I'm playing games since over 20 years ago. I'm used to never being mana empty. I find using fire repeatedly burn the bar too much, but I do have my small rotation that uses transpose. Never went bellow half the mp bar for no reason, best reasons being in boss fights. Guess you were a great bully in school.
    You say that like it's a good thing... The entire point of BLM is to empty out your mp bar through fire spells (they csot so much mana because they are much more powerful), and you swap into umbral to regenerate that mana. By alternating your blizzard and fire spells without a thought, you're actually lowering your damage and using up more mp than you're regenerating because you don't ever stay in umbral to regenerate, while at the same time umbral reduces damage dealt by fire spells. You're literally going to do more damage by just spamming blizzard because it's always going to be the full damage and you keep umbral the entire time and never worry about mana. Sounds like SMN is more of your job if you're that concerned with having your mana drop below half (and even then, there are exceptions for SMN as well to empty out their mp).
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    Last edited by RiceisNice; 01-12-2016 at 10:47 AM.
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  3. #43
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    Calypso Celeste
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel View Post
    And that's where you fail as human. You standardize and put everything in the same exact mold when everyone is different and plays differently. I'm playing games since over 20 years ago. I'm used to never being mana empty. I find using fire repeatedly burn the bar too much, but I do have my small rotation that uses transpose. Never went bellow half the mp bar for no reason, best reasons being in boss fights. Guess you were a great bully in school.
    If you're doing crap damage because of your "Playstyle" you're dragging people down, being inconsiderate and simply aren't playing well. It's one thing if you're learning and receptive to advise, but to close yourself off and take on such a juvenile "I pay my sub I'll play how I like" attitude means you deserve to be kicked.
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  4. #44
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    T'erra Branford
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel View Post
    And that's where you fail as human. You standardize and put everything in the same exact mold when everyone is different and plays differently. I'm playing games since over 20 years ago. I'm used to never being mana empty. I find using fire repeatedly burn the bar too much, but I do have my small rotation that uses transpose. Never went bellow half the mp bar for no reason, best reasons being in boss fights. Guess you were a great bully in school.
    Actually, this game is very on the rails, and does not allow people to play well using their own rotations based on preferance. Sure, you can use the really, really bad method you mentioned. But you will always be an anchor to your team, the kind people mention in the "Tails from the Duty Finder" thread. I think you are trolling myself, but on the off chance you aren't read, please your tool tips again.

    You do realise you do more damage in astral fire with three stacks right, and very little damage in umbral ice. Also, your class has stupid mp regen, if you run out of mp, all you do is transponse, then cast blizz, and at most 6 seconds later you are full mp... there is no reason or logic between going to half mp. None at all, your preferance of this shows you have no understanding of how the class is built.
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    Last edited by Whiteroom; 01-12-2016 at 10:50 AM.

  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    You say that like it's a good thing... Sounds like SMN is moreof your job.
    It's more like my subjob. I'm a really decent healer, I'm trying to get thaum at 28 to get swiftcast. Raise and resurrect just have too long of a cast time and I saw the need to get it at some occasions when I met bad tanks or dps's not going for the adds and leading to the death of most of the party. But that's getting hard to do since I don't like the ''standardized and official'' black mage play style some players believe is the best.
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  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel View Post
    It's more like my subjob. I'm a really decent healer, I'm trying to get thaum at 28 to get swiftcast. Raise and resurrect just have too long of a cast time and I saw the need to get it at some occasions when I met bad tanks or dps's not going for the adds and leading to the death of most of the party. But that's getting hard to do since I don't like the ''standardized and official'' black mage play style some players believe is the best.
    Not sure why you're judging other tanks or dps for being bad if they aren't doing their job, when you yourself feel like you shouldn't be judged for failing at your job of dpsing :l
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    Bravo Whiskey
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel View Post
    And that's where you fail as human. .
    Mind your mana's.

    May I add that I LOVE that your name is Sensei? I think you should use the upcoming mentor system and teach all upcoming BLMs. We need your words of wisdom to be spread amongst the peasant BLMs who fail to see mana is a scarce and limited resource!
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  8. #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamillion View Post
    If you're doing crap damage because of your "Playstyle" you're dragging people down, being inconsiderate and simply aren't playing well. It's one thing if you're learning and receptive to advise, but to close yourself off and take on such a juvenile "I pay my sub I'll play how I like" attitude means you deserve to be kicked.
    Giving advice and ordering the person to do something is totally different. Just to resume my playstyle for thaum: not burning my mana on small fries in dungeon (pointless to just fire repeatedly anyway), spending more on bosses and sub-bosses (2-3 fires followed by 2-3 blizzards without burning trought my mana to be the most helpfull at the right time).
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
    Actually, this game is very on the rails, and does not allow people to play well using their own rotations based on preferance. *snip, shortened*
    You do realise you do more damage in astral fire with three stacks right, and very little damage in umbral ice. Also, your class has stupid mp regen, if you run out of mp, all you do is transponse, then cast blizz, and at most 6 seconds later you are full mp... there is no reason or logic between going to half mp. None at all, your preferance of this shows you have no understanding of how the class is built.
    Funny thing you mention 6 seconds, that can be the exact time where everyone but the black mage is still alive. And must I say that I checked the aggro I amass and get second in a party fast. Pretty sure using the ''official'' one grabs all the aggro from the tank. Often saw black mages fall too because of that.
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  10. #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel View Post
    Giving advice and ordering the person to do something is totally different. Just to resume my playstyle for thaum: not burning my mana on small fries in dungeon (pointless to just fire repeatedly anyway), spending more on bosses and sub-bosses (2-3 fires followed by 2-3 blizzards without burning trought my mana to be the most helpfull at the right time).
    You don't need to save your mana as a THM/BLM as everyone has been telling you. You can easily just empty out your mana with fire spells, tranpose to go into umbral, use blizzard, then start using fire when you regenerate to full. Your problem is that you're totally unaccepting and being unreceptive of advice to better your role, regardless of how it's given. People are goign to get justifably upset if you're not performing as a DPS by dpsing effectively because you're ignoring the core concept of your class.

    Quote Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel View Post
    Funny thing you mention 6 seconds, that can be the exact time where everyone but the black mage is still alive. And must I say that I checked the aggro I amass and get second in a party fast. Pretty sure using the ''official'' one grabs all the aggro from the tank. Often saw black mages fall too because of that.
    Then you're either going guns ablazing before the tank even gets the first hit, you're overgearing, or the tank isn't a good. And honestly at early levels, THM is very prone to pulling aggro because of how high their damage is... which means you're doing your job and the tank isn't considering normal circumstances.
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