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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamillion View Post
    I'm pretty sure bots are more efficient than fire 1 -> blizzard 1 -> fire 1 ad nauseam
    You'd actually get more dps by being an ice mage at this point, cause your every other spell you do is actually doing less potency while it erases your astral/umbral. and you won't run out of mana compared to alternating between fire/blizzard.
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    Last edited by RiceisNice; 01-12-2016 at 07:40 AM.
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    Damn this 1000 character limit cap. Many replies ensuing.

    Quote Originally Posted by AskaRay View Post
    I just noticed something, too. You said you used Transpose and it was "supposedly restore the whole MP bar, which does not happen". That's not how transpose works. All it does is make Astral Fire go to Umbral Ice (and vice-versa), without having to cast two Fire or two Blizzard spells to do it. After transposing from Astral Fire into Umbral Ice, you cast more Blizzards and THIS is what fills your MP bar. At higher levels it seems almost instantaneous, because Umbral Ice III has a ridiculous MP regen rate.
    Well, the party I was in claimed it refunded the whole MP bar, which is wrong if you read correctly the effect. Wanted to correct them on that point, but never had the chance since they kicked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judah_Brandt View Post
    You realize this is a troll thread......right?
    Not a troll thread, trolls are worse. And anyway, trolling is not fun and ruins the player base, you'll know what I mean if you ever played LoL or CoD. There is a problem, and that problem is that some players got their heads so big it won't pass the doorframes anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyBunch View Post
    He hasn't reached end game yet. His highest character is 54.
    Though he has an impressive amount of characters around 30.

    He also hasn't had any responses to any of his previous posts. So this looks like attention grabbing/troll bait.
    It's also possible, he's just legitimately bad. I was bad too for a while. *snip, shortened for lenght*
    I'm not reaching endgame yet cause I'm waiting after some irl friends who also play the game. Also, if I don't respond as much on the forum, I'm usually in game, watching anime, working, playing other games or reading. Another note, this is not the forum I prefer the most to frequent since some posters here seem to have an attitude problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almalexia View Post
    You have the wrong idea about FFXIV.

    Jobs to not have "builds" or "specs" or "styles." They each have a single, stringent and optimal rotation - an ideal. Every buff and ability fits into a rhythm, which produces The Best Outcome when executed in time. Any deviation from this rhythm is necessarily Not-The-Best Outcome.

    *snip, shortened*

    The sooner you accept there's one way to do it, the sooner you can start mastering it.
    And that's where you fail as human. You standardize and put everything in the same exact mold when everyone is different and plays differently. I'm playing games since over 20 years ago. I'm used to never being mana empty. I find using fire repeatedly burn the bar too much, but I do have my small rotation that uses transpose. Never went bellow half the mp bar for no reason, best reasons being in boss fights. Guess you were a great bully in school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel View Post
    And that's where you fail as human. You standardize and put everything in the same exact mold when everyone is different and plays differently.
    Everyone plays differently, and the way you're playing is objectively failing at the role you're queuing up as...that is, being a damage dealer. The matter of fact is, this game does not have talent trees or effective class/job customizations. There's always one way to deal damage that's generally the most effective, assuming the circumstances apply. You're either playing the class right, or you're not (and going by your OP, you aren't since you clearly are not utilizing the core mechanic of blackmage)

    Quote Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel View Post
    I'm playing games since over 20 years ago. I'm used to never being mana empty. I find using fire repeatedly burn the bar too much, but I do have my small rotation that uses transpose. Never went bellow half the mp bar for no reason, best reasons being in boss fights. Guess you were a great bully in school.
    You say that like it's a good thing... The entire point of BLM is to empty out your mp bar through fire spells (they csot so much mana because they are much more powerful), and you swap into umbral to regenerate that mana. By alternating your blizzard and fire spells without a thought, you're actually lowering your damage and using up more mp than you're regenerating because you don't ever stay in umbral to regenerate, while at the same time umbral reduces damage dealt by fire spells. You're literally going to do more damage by just spamming blizzard because it's always going to be the full damage and you keep umbral the entire time and never worry about mana. Sounds like SMN is more of your job if you're that concerned with having your mana drop below half (and even then, there are exceptions for SMN as well to empty out their mp).
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    Last edited by RiceisNice; 01-12-2016 at 10:47 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    You say that like it's a good thing... Sounds like SMN is moreof your job.
    It's more like my subjob. I'm a really decent healer, I'm trying to get thaum at 28 to get swiftcast. Raise and resurrect just have too long of a cast time and I saw the need to get it at some occasions when I met bad tanks or dps's not going for the adds and leading to the death of most of the party. But that's getting hard to do since I don't like the ''standardized and official'' black mage play style some players believe is the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel View Post
    It's more like my subjob. I'm a really decent healer, I'm trying to get thaum at 28 to get swiftcast. Raise and resurrect just have too long of a cast time and I saw the need to get it at some occasions when I met bad tanks or dps's not going for the adds and leading to the death of most of the party. But that's getting hard to do since I don't like the ''standardized and official'' black mage play style some players believe is the best.
    Not sure why you're judging other tanks or dps for being bad if they aren't doing their job, when you yourself feel like you shouldn't be judged for failing at your job of dpsing :l
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel View Post
    And that's where you fail as human. You standardize and put everything in the same exact mold when everyone is different and plays differently. I'm playing games since over 20 years ago. I'm used to never being mana empty. I find using fire repeatedly burn the bar too much, but I do have my small rotation that uses transpose. Never went bellow half the mp bar for no reason, best reasons being in boss fights. Guess you were a great bully in school.
    If you're doing crap damage because of your "Playstyle" you're dragging people down, being inconsiderate and simply aren't playing well. It's one thing if you're learning and receptive to advise, but to close yourself off and take on such a juvenile "I pay my sub I'll play how I like" attitude means you deserve to be kicked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamillion View Post
    If you're doing crap damage because of your "Playstyle" you're dragging people down, being inconsiderate and simply aren't playing well. It's one thing if you're learning and receptive to advise, but to close yourself off and take on such a juvenile "I pay my sub I'll play how I like" attitude means you deserve to be kicked.
    Giving advice and ordering the person to do something is totally different. Just to resume my playstyle for thaum: not burning my mana on small fries in dungeon (pointless to just fire repeatedly anyway), spending more on bosses and sub-bosses (2-3 fires followed by 2-3 blizzards without burning trought my mana to be the most helpfull at the right time).
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